Chocobo Dye - The Missing Manual

[Kusari-chan]

So I did make it to Midnight Blue this time <3

it really is lovely, and now I am following the calculator to get to kobold brown, using a pear, 2 apples, and 3 pineapples. . . I got a feather message at the second pineapple and then again after the third pineapple. . . so We'll see. . .

I skipped over one to Ink Blue, not a disliked outcome, still only one step away from Soot Black. The calculator says to feed it 1 plum, 2 valfruit, and 3 pineapples. . . got lots of feather messages so I dunno. . . maybe I'll end up on deepwood green XD

[Rennah]

Alright, I decided to give this calculator a go now that I'm starting on an alt's chocobo. Going for wine red, started feeding earlier on my own, and landed at pumpkin orange. Went to the calculator and put in the information, and got this

Update: Chocobo turned Dalamud red, not wine. So it's not an exact science, but it went the right direction, at least.

Calculator said 6x pears, 6x berries, 2x apples. Fed three pears, got the message on the first pear...and now I'm wishing I'd stopped there. Continued with 3 berries for NO feather messages, one more pear, no messages, both apples, no message. Hoping it changes even though it didn't end on a feather message, but I don't want to go with the full calculator values and overshoot. I'm guessing that since I followed to wine in the first place but got Dalamud, I was really close in the RGB values and the pears just pushed it over, I'm just hoping it sticks and doesn't mess me up too badly when the color change rolls around.

[Morningstar1337]

I have a hypothetical question, say I got a chocobo from Desert Yellow to Sylph Green and then to Sky Blue, would it be possible to go directly form Sky Blue to Raptor Blue or do i have to take the long way around?

[Kaisha_Rishima]

I seem to be stuck in a forever loop trying to get to Ink Blue.
Tried to change it again tonight but somehow managed to stay Midnight Blue.
Out of frustration I fed it 4 Mamook Pears and got the change message twice. I guess I will have to see what colour I end up before I try for Ink Blue again

[reivaxe]

Valfruit is going the wrong way. Loam is still lighter than Soot black so you're going to want to darken more. It's also a little too red so you'll need to remove that.

The above calculator http://www.ffxivchocobo.com/ is an automatic version of the spreadsheet and looks like it does a pretty good job of giving general estimates from my limited tests. Its recommendations are 2 apple, 3 pear, 3 berry which seems pretty good as it does remove a bit of red and then darkens it overall.

Long story short, ended up back at this color so I'm gonna try it your way!

[Seiko769]

Gobbiebag brown » Abyssal Blue

RGB(180, 158, 130) » RGB(43, 39, 80)
Difference: Red: -137, Green: -119, Blue: -50
Feed the following to change to your desired colour:
17 × Apples, 19 × Pears, 26 × Berries

Using my RGB value:

Feed	Qty	191	167	135
apple	17	255	82	50
pear	19	160	177	0
berry	26	30	47	130

Current	30	47	130
To Target	25	0	-43
Current Guess	Royal Blue

Microfeeding:

Feed	Qty	191	167	135
apple	5	216	142	110
pear	5	191	167	85
berry	5	166	142	110
apple	5	191	117	85
pear	5	166	142	60
berry	5	141	117	85
apple	5	166	92	60
pear	5	141	117	35
berry	5	116	92	60
apple	2	126	82	50
pear	4	106	102	30
berry	5	81	77	55
berry	6	51	47	85

Current	51	47	85
To Target	4	0	2
Current Guess	Abyssal Blue

Add this for Midnight:

apple	4	71	27	65
pear	4	51	47	45
berry	4	31	27	65

Problem. I'm not on Gobbie XD otherwise Id be fine helping

[reivaxe]

Long story short, ended up back at this color so I'm gonna try it your way!

Marsh Green! >:'[

[Kusari-chan]

I skipped over one to Ink Blue, not a disliked outcome, still only one step away from Soot Black. The calculator says to feed it 1 plum, 2 valfruit, and 3 pineapples. . . got lots of feather messages so I dunno. . . maybe I'll end up on deepwood green XD

this combo sent me to Loam Brown instead, but I continued to follow the calculators recipe from loam brown to soot black, so I fed 2 apples, 3 pears and 3 berries as it requested and this was the result:

Soot Black!


Thanks for everyone's helpful resources, I can now help other members of my fc and my friends reach different color goals, including the ever sought after magic black chocobo <3

[PuhnTang]

I think we will do our testing here, and after I get maybe 10 or so confirms, I will start a new thread and describe my process in more detail.

I've read nearly every page of the color thread, the spreadsheets, the flowchart. Nothing makes as much sense to me as this! An FC mate has his chocobo at Russet Brown, trying to get to Soot Black. He needs to use 4 Pears and 4 Berries? Should he separate them more than 4 and 4? If one procs, feed the other type?

I have a chocobo who keeps bouncing back to Celeste Green trying to find Lotus Pink. The calculator says 8 Plums, 13 Pineapples, 17 Valfruit which seems like a lot to get to what's just a hop skip and a jump away on the chart. Is that really correct? Everything I've found said that Pineapples just kept turning the bird blue (when trying to go to white or Lotus and I ended up at a Sky) and I don't know why it wants 17 of them. What's the right amount? How would I break it down to feed it to him?

[AttacKat]

My final result just came in (5:15pm ET), and I reached Soot Black in 3 feeds, I will post in a new thread and explain in detail there.



The guts of this process is very simple, and that is just break the feeding down into micro feeds, and not do one massive feed. However, what is even more important, is the order in which you feed.

My whole reason to experiment down this path is that I have observed that in a very general sense, is most people recommends XYZ fruits, and the ones seeking help just feed that amount in at one sitting, or one type of fruit until they get a feather proc. What happens here is most people (myself included) just takes into consideration of the math, and not the true value of RGB or color mixing in reality. I myself made this mistake back when I was doing the apple feed, and didn't see this RGB value "wall", and kept on chasing the logic down the wrong path.

A simple example using apples, we move from desert yellow down to blood red, but once we reach blood red, we hit the wall and start to wonder why apple won't bring down the red more. The reasoning behind this is very simple, and that is, the RGB value for blood red (143, 63, 39) has already hit the wall, and any more force feeding of apples will not allow the values to go down any further. See, using apples, we are doing +R, -G, -B, and B is already at 39. If each fruit has an average value of 5 as others have determined, then how will 10 apples be able to bring B from 39 down to -9? It will not, because -9 B is not a possible value for any color. So in this case, only 8 apples has any true effect on the RGB value, and the other 2 are nullified.

To take this into actual practice, we want to take blood red to soot black, the new calculator suggests 2 apples, 10 pears, and 12 berries. So we feed the bird all those fruits, in that order ...

We end up with Currant Purple. Why? Because:
Blood Red 143 63 39

1	apple	2	153	53	29
2	pear	10	103	103	0
3	berry	12	43	43	60

Current	43	43	60
To Target	4	4	-21
Current Guess	Currant Purple

Path = Blood red -> No change -> Orchard Brown -> Currant Purple

The above feed in reality is actually this:

Step	Feed	Qty	143	63	39
1	apple	2	153	53	29
2	pear	5	128	78	4
3	pear	1	123	83	0
4	pear	4	103	103	0
5	berry	12	43	43	60

Path: Blood Red -> NO change -> Mesa Red -> No change -> Orchard Brown -> Currant Purple

But when we feed the fruits and keep in mind the RGB value limit, mainly, 0-255, and modify the feeding order, we can get away with this:
Starting Colour Blood Red

Step	Feed	Qty	143	63	39
1	berry	12	83	3	99
2	pear	10	33	53	49
3	apple	2	43	43	39

Current	43	43	39
To Target	4	4	0
Current Guess	Soot Black

Path: Blood red -> Gloom Purple -> Deepwood Green -> Soot Black

Two feedings of the exact same fruits, but yet, very different results.

My microfeeding procedure pretty much is just to pay careful attention on the order and amount of fruits are fed to help eliminates a lot of unnecessary mistakes.

Russet Brown, trying to get to Soot Black. He needs to use 4 Pears and 4 Berries?
...
Celeste Green trying to find Lotus Pink. The calculator says 8 Plums, 13 Pineapples, 17 Valfruit ...
What's the right amount? How would I break it down to feed it to him?

The calculator still uses the original RGB values and I have came up with my own 8th scale RGB values. With that said ...

Using the 4 pears and 4 berries, I get a 8/0/8 in Soot Black, so I did some fine tuning because I do not like seeing ranges larger then 8 and came up with 2 pears, 3 berries and 1 plum with a -2/0/-2 in Soot Black. Both are safe to feed all at once because he is starting w 79/47/31, so 20 in any direction will not knock him to the RGB wall.

Lotus Pink (255, 207, 247) is the other extreme compared to Soot Black/Midnight Blue, so yeah, the number is right. I tried doing the reset approach and it didn't save much either. Your issue here is you will be knocking on the R/B wall quite often, so you need to be extremely careful on your feeding order.

This is what I came up with using a few less fruits:

Starting Colour			Celeste Green		
Step	Feed	Qty	151	191	191
1	plum	3	136	206	206
2	valfruit	5	161	181	231
3	pineapple	5	186	206	206
4	plum	3	171	221	221
5	valfruit	5	196	196	246
6	pineapple	5	221	221	221
7	plum	1	216	226	226
8	valfruit	4	236	206	246
9	pineapple	2	246	216	236
10	valfruit	2	255	206	246

Target Colour RGB			255	207	247
Target Colour			Lotus Pink