SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[Ryel]

1.0's bosses weren't that different, and in most cases they simply lacked the ground markers and cast bars. Even Rivenroad Nael was still about memorizing a dance and where to stand. It wasn't taken to the extreme like it was with Titan, but it was there.

Fights in 1.0 definitely had HP phases yes, but those phases more often than not just added more moves to their available pool. There were certainly still fights with "Stand here and wait for X" mechanics but even Ifrit in 1.0 could repeat certain sequences of moves back to back instead of being wholly predictable (See: Multiple dash phases or back to back eruptions)

More often than not you were learning how to deal with specific moves in general because you weren't able to predict exactly what move was coming at what time, you just had a rough idea of when certain moves where in the bosses available move pool based on HP phase, with the exception of large signature attacks that had set points.

It would still be the same, but player attitudes would be worse than they currently are because the stakes would be higher, and with higher stakes comes higher levels of elitism.

I would argue the stakes are already high and foster this currently.

The loot system guaranteeing a drop of some kind combined with a strict rotation for most fights is promoting the attitude amongst players that because X member caused a wipe due to something that the rest of the party knew fully well was coming, either from lack of knowledge of the fight (didn't watch a video) or poor mechanical ability (bad) on that player's part, that now that 1, 2, or w/e number of players that messed up have now "prevented" the rest of the party from getting something. It becomes very easy for the party to quickly turn on players they feel are under performing or aren't learning the rotation fast enough.

This is very different from genuinely getting rocked in a fight because eruptions or dashes just happened 4x in a row, the anger is now directed towards the boss "Well IFRIT screwed us this run, lets try again" The blame falls on the boss or the mechanic and the party is less likely to turn on each other.

EDIT: adding to the last part.

The situations mentioned above (Ifrit 4x Eruptions or dashes in a row etc) are often survivable with player skill as well, if players are taught to deal with the possibility of varied mechanics etc rather than just waiting for the next ability in the script, seeing this happen in one fight might fully prepare them for the possibility of it happening in others so the mentality will develop to watch out for that sort of thing.

[Cherie]

By the final boss, we wiped a few times because they were unaware about what to do with their green markers.

Ah, don't sweat it... really don't... I've run that place many times... a good chunk of those as a healer. *Most* people don't know what to do with those green markers.... We still clear it anyway... I don't think I've seen that fight wipe once, even with the most ragtag group of "noobs". It's hard to believe this healer hasn't seen someone that doesn't know what to do with those markers.... EVERY time I've done that boss there is at least one person that doesn't know what to do if not more. He just likes to make people feel bad, most probably to try to make it seem like he is a better player, to make it seem like there is some kind of "elite dungeon running" set of people.... No, there are not... If there was, there would be some kind of "elite class" of people that play tic tac toe.

Your healer was just not very good at their job. I find the people that make the biggest stink are often the worst players... But in such a easy game, designed for fun casual play, maybe he isn't bad so much as he is careless... That healer really should have put the sandwich down in his left hand, turned off "the voice" playing on the tv next to him and perhaps put the spoon down he was holding in his right hand for the bowl of ice cream... Then, while grabbing his mouse and directional keys (or gamepad) just play the game with you, then he wouldn't feel the need to scream to defend his inadequacies...

Dungeons aren't something that anyone should have to watch youtube for. They are meant to be understood and won usually on the first or second try. Someone that gets so serious about it, like that healer you had, is someone that really wants to be hardcore but didn't cut it... and he's trying to take it out on you... This isn't a hardcore game anyway...

Feel good about yourself. Don't let jerks bring you down.

[Welsper59]

Its because games are made to be too easily so they can be cleared quickly so these ADD having arrogant little trolls can get in and get out quickly. Games are not meant to take time, effort, or have victories based on trial and error anymore.

To be honest, I kinda look at the situation from a "glass half full" perspective. While it is attractive for these mouth breathers, it's also a form of bait for people like me to use that will find ANY form of harassment, racism, etc to be a tool to use against said mouth breathers. Sometimes, that might require a bit of provoking to get them to say exactly what I want, but I think of that as refining an art. I guess that's just making the best of a situation lol. It's literally impossible to (legally) prevent these bad natured people from doing what they do, so why not use their own remarks against them.

[Ilitsa]

I'll be honest, it's the mentality of some of these posters that make me wish there was some way to get all "guide" videos removed permanently. People's behaviors are just so damn disgusting sometimes, it sickens me.


On that note, I for one, as well as the rest of my FC actually prefer getting "new players" in our DF group, because we enjoy seeing the surprise and excitement they have, it brings it back for us too. Youtube does nothing but gimp the playerbase and decrease skill.

[Brightshadow]

I think the echo should increase at the same rate it does in hard mode so people can actually complete extreme mode more easily in duty finder.

[ispano]

I'll be honest, it's the mentality of some of these posters that make me wish there was some way to get all "guide" videos removed permanently. People's behaviors are just so damn disgusting sometimes, it sickens me.


On that note, I for one, as well as the rest of my FC actually prefer getting "new players" in our DF group, because we enjoy seeing the surprise and excitement they have, it brings it back for us too. Youtube does nothing but gimp the playerbase and decrease skill.

Lets destroy all the history books and other such things that let us learn from those who came before us while we're at it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

People don't learn from history.

[Najara]

No, that is the troll's toll. Report them.

Off topic: You've got to pay the troll toll to get into that boy's soul.

On topic: You can report these players if you're using the duty finder. You owe them nothing more than your honest attempt to complete the content. If they kick you for it then they will be dealt with by the GM. I'm sure of it.

I was a few weeks late after patch 2.3 and took my sweet lilly time to read all the 'Notes' in Tam-Tara Hard Mode. I was fortunate to not have anyone ***** at me, but if anyone if they had tried I was more than ready to go to battle.

[Zephyranthes]

It's a game involving other people. You're always find those kind of players around sadly.

[Ilitsa]

Lets destroy all the history books and other such things that let us learn from those who came before us while we're at it.

apples to oranges. Youtube videos of a video game are in no way comparable to major events in real life.