People are being cruel to new players

[Kimikryo]

If someone expects me to know how well he/she/it knows a dungeons without speaking up, the friendliest (and unfriendliest) he/she/it will get a roll eyes.

You don't seem to understand what I am getting at, if you consider what I am saying is mean.

It is not friendly, it is neutral. This game needs communication, don't expect people to have a crystal ball to know whats up with you

Even better. "Don't expect anything, make sure"

[Celes_Chere]

I had an opposite experience, new player being cruel to me. This was early days when people were locked out and couldn't login.

Someone shouted then were afk all day in Central Shroud. Then I happen to shout something totally unrelated, I was DoLing. Next thing I know I get harassed by a newbie named 'Kitty Kat'.

The player starts giving me lines and lines of text saying a bunch of unruly things to me. I'm sitting there thinking wth did I do. Took me a while to realize what happened.

I told him or her to scroll up. But they were like 'NO I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID'. This went on for like 30-45 minutes. I had to eventually copy and paste.

Did I get an apology? Nope, even after clearing my name, they went on picking a fight for the fact that I threw back a few choice words after having all this crap thrown in my face for no good reason.

What does this tell you? It don't matter whether you're a newbie or a seasoned player, asshats don't differentiate between the two.

[Kimikryo]

I wouldn't even have any of this .... chocobo dung.. if someone acts liek that towards me he is in the same list as RMT.

[KaiKatzchen]

Something that really irks me.

You start an MMO, a game where people communicate with each other, have no keyboard, and expect THEM to know this and expect THEM to wait for you and expect THEM to treat you like a princess because you expect THEM to know that you are new.

Why are THOSE people mean?

Nobody owes you explanations before hand. Nobody can look in his teacup and see "oh that person is new I absolutely have to tell him what to do"

I have seen really mean players, but the mentioned stuff is far away from mean.

Well first off, there is the little leaf beside players names, that shows they are a new player and it doesn't go away until they have like 40 hours of in game play time. Also, when a person is going into a dungeon for the first time it says 'this is a new player you get extra credit for completing this', so people don't need teacup to help them.

And what about my friend? She communicates, has a keyboard and we also helped them the first time with the dungeon, gave them some advice and they were doing a decent job. I mean level 15, first time playing the game and first dungeon, for the experience they had they did good. We didn't wipe and didn't die. They had some issues holding hate, but what can you expect from low level Gladiator who really doesn't have good hate management at that level.

She decided they want to run it again on her own and practice more. We let her go and then she has some high level person telling her whole group that they sucks, getting frustrated with them and telling her she shouldn't play GLD and switch to something she would be good at.

What did she do to deserve that? Nothing, she was doing what she should be and practicing. As the person above me said, I think it's ridiculous to tell someone 'oh didn't you know you have to do all this online research before even touching this game'. I have never done that, or heard of such nonsense in any other MMO I have ever played before in my life... and I have played a lot of MMO's.

As I said before, Yoshi-P even said the first 50 for players is a tutorial to help people learn how to play the game. While online tutorials etc are helpful, it shouldn't be necessary. Being a teacher, some students are good book learners (read it and get it) and some are more hands on (they can read and watch til the pass out, but they need to experience it first hand).

If a player, any player new, old etc is being rude or not listening then yes they get what they deserve. But players who listen, who are willing to learn, want the help or advice? They aren't doing anything to deserve that type of treatment. No matter what way we look at it, being rude to someone simply because they are new or being rude to another player period... there is no good excuse for doing it.

[Kimikryo]

Did you quote the wrong person?

I was speaking to OP and his/her rant.

Some high leveler hissing at a low player is nothing I was talking about in the post you quoted. It was about someone expecting their party to smell that they are new.

Maybe you are not that long in the game, the leaf? I don't know when they added it, sometime in August while I was on vacation, before that you had no idea who the new player was. It doesn't say "This is a new player" it says "There is one or more new players with you". And I haven't seen a leaf in dungeons yet, well most of the time I either keep in check I don't lose hate or keep the party alive and don't look at anything but the Agro and Healthbars.

Don't misunderstand me, being outright rude to a new player, or someone that seems new, is not OK.

But players can get agitated, when they want to help out, and don't get a single response.

[ispano]

Also, when a person is going into a dungeon for the first time it says 'this is a new player you get extra credit for completing this', so people don't need teacup to help them.

And? It doesn't tell you which of the other 3/7 are new, just that one is. AND it doesn't tell if that person knows their own job either. The person could be new but learned their job like a pro and have zero issues at all, or ignored all the information about their job thrown at them, and fail miserably. What about the people who aren't new to the content, but got carried when they were and STILL don't know anything about the fights, or did it months ago and this is their second time in months and they've forgotten(no excuse imo, but it happensI guess)? Neither of those will send you a "new player" message.

[Raxion]

I'd say this boils down to a matter of personal experience. I'm always nice to new players. If I feel like their performance is bothering me, I just refrain from saying anything at all. I'm only going to be stuck playing with them for about 30 minutes in a dungeon. The players that annoy me the most, are the "know-it-alls" that, in fact, know very little about what they're doing.

[ExKage]

First of all, there is no reason absolutely to be rude to another player. If they are not meeting expectations go ahead and gripe or rant about it but NOT TO THEM or not AT THEM.

I'm new/was new. I never played an MMO that had the holy trinity and whatnot. I ran mostly with friends because I learned early on that queueing up solo as a ranged dps took forever so I knew what to expect. Just boss mechanics. By character, I always like to look things up ahead of time. I like to be prepared. I like to know what is ahead of me. I think this has led me to not having had the same experiences that newer players have had but by no means am I justifying the nastiness they encountered just by making a mistake or two in the beginning.

When I first started in open world I had just died to one of the first instances (not a dungeon iirc). I did not have physick and was just a THM. A random passerby stopped, raised me, and casted protect and stoneskin on me. I thanked them and they were incredibly nice. Perhaps that has skewed my experience but I have -never- seen the toxic party chats people employ. No one has ever said anything to me about being new when I said it.

I have seen 'watch in inn" comments but I generally say "if you want to watch, watch, but if most people want to keep going we're going to go since the group sets the pace and most of the group thinks they can set X pace."

It had been so long since I did the GLA/PLD stuff. I was leveling SCH and doing low level roulettes. Several times I've been in Toto-Rak and the gladiators didn't have shield lob. I'd noticed they were just walking up (and maybe flashing) but not lobbing. I mentioned using lob would help and they didn't say why. Another in party reminded me that it was a class quest given skill. He thanked us and said he'd not done them but he'll start doing them when he got out! Another gladiator had the same thing.

I've also had it be pretty frustrating with newer tanks who.... no matter how many times I asked "[Please][Flash]" they didn't. I even went on to say that "If I heal you and you don't [Flash] or hit the others, I'll immediately get hit their attention. Please flash so I don't die." One time one of them finally answered, saying he was new and on PS4.

... but he still never flashed. Or did the 1-2 combo even though we were polite "If you do Fast Blade->Savage Blade and a couple of Flashes we won't have any problems"... nope.

Sometimes people will listen and it's extremely gratifying to just be helpful. Other times... yeah it doesn't happen and it is frustrating because not only can their be fun be ruined but so are the other 3/7 peoples' fun.

[KaiKatzchen]

And? It doesn't tell you which of the other 3/7 are new, just that one is. AND it doesn't tell if that person knows their own job either. The person could be new but learned their job like a pro and have zero issues at all, or ignored all the information about their job thrown at them, and fail miserably. What about the people who aren't new to the content, but got carried when they were and STILL don't know anything about the fights, or did it months ago and this is their second time in months and they've forgotten(no excuse imo, but it happensI guess)? Neither of those will send you a "new player" message.

You're right it doesn't tell you who is new. which is why I usually say something along the lines of "hey I see someone is new, if ya need any help just let me know but let's have fun on the run~!" I have had new players tell me sometimes they afraid to tell people they are new because they have been snapped at, told they suck, criticized or people bail out of the party. If we are just polite off the bat, then maybe they would be more open to taking advice.

As to others, people should learn, if a player gets to 50 and doesn't know their jobs still, then maybe that isn't the best job for them. Unfortunately there is no magical answer on how to deal with people that anyone can give.

I think the biggest point of this tread people keep forgetting is the fact that people are rude to one another. Old to new, new to old and old to old. Why? Why do we have to snap, be rude put people down, tell them they suck if they are lvl 17 and just starting? Why? There is no good reason.

Maybe you are not that long in the game, the leaf? I don't know when they added it, sometime in August while I was on vacation, before that you had no idea who the new player was. It doesn't say "This is a new player" it says "There is one or more new players with you". And I haven't seen a leaf in dungeons yet, well most of the time I either keep in check I don't lose hate or keep the party alive and don't look at anything but the Agro and Healthbars.

Don't misunderstand me, being outright rude to a new player, or someone that seems new, is not OK.

But players can get agitated, when they want to help out, and don't get a single response.

Nah I have been in the game since alpha and beta of 1.0 back in 2010. Been around a very long time now and the community was very kind in 1.0...never had these issues that 2.0 is seeing.

The leaf thing is newer, but a good way to know if someone is new though I will admit not 100% sure if it show sup in dugeons. As to the second, yeah I got the wording wrong, lol... but still it's let people know that there is someone in the dungeon and it's their first time. A general 'hey if anyone needs help or advice let us know before we get started' fixes that quickl

And no I was just saying in general since you'd brought that up. While some people do deserve to be snapped at if they are rude first, or it can get frustrating when people don't communicate, there are people that don't fit in that. A lot of the new people I meet don't really do anything except try to learn their job, communicate, ask for help and still get snapped at for no reason. I don't know how many times I've had to tell someone else in a DF to chill because we have a new player and they wanna be rude to them.

Maybe I'm lucky in the fact that I have never met a rude new player, can't say as much for older players. While most are nice, there are many more that are rude. It's just sad, and it's not just new players. Even with old players, people are rude to others. I've never seen so much negativity in a MMO before. I have spoken about this several times over the years, but people just keep saying the same stuff to defend their bad attitudes. It's just not right.

[Mogi]

From the sounds of it, you don't know your rotation, know the run, and don't have a keyboard to communicate, and im guessing you didn't look up guides for the run as well? Sorry, but I really don't feel sorry for you.

From the sounds of it you don't read very well or you may have picked up that she was talking about her past and how ppl are still rude to new players