People are being cruel to new players

[FritoBandito]

To be completely honest you're playing a game with other human beings, and you didn't bring an effective method of communication and you're suprised you had problems? I'm not saying they were right or that people in this game could use more patience, but you kind of set yourself up a little bit. Go buy a keyboard.

Agreed here. I think there are a lot of console players who think they can drop into this game like they would Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto and just start playing with no need for communication.

[KaiKatzchen]

You have to understand where he's coming from when he says that.

The tank has to lead the party. The entire party follows him. He sets the pace of the dungeon. He needs to know the mechanics for every boss fight. If the tank dies, there's a pretty good chance the party's going to wipe.

That's a lot of responsibility.

My first job to 50 was BLM. I didn't need to know the dungeons. Most dungeons I did without watching a video and I was fine. Just burn down the bad guys. lol.

My second job to 50 was WAR. Even though I had done every dungeon as a BLM, I had to backtrack and watch vids. I had to know the route through the dungeon. I had to learn certain mechanics that didn't really affect me as a caster. It isn't until the Coil DPS checks that you really HAVE to play at a high level as DPS.

Sooooo it would make sense to level up a DPS to 50 so you can get a feel for the dungeons and the mechanics.

TL;DR
Should people be nicer? YES.
Is your inexperience a valid reason to be an ass? NO.

Should you play DPS first? Yeah you probably should. If you don't, you're going to get a lot more hate than necessary.

Regardless of what class a person plays, be it DPS, Tank or Healer, did every single person on their first dungeon know there job 100% to the point that their first run and every run after has been perfect flawless? Even with players who have been here since 1.0 and know thier jobs inside and out, can every player say that even in end game every dungeon, ST, Coil etc that they do is flawless? Probably not.

If they tank dies that doesn't mean the party is going to wipe. EX: Did AV a few days ago, tank and dragoon died 2 times, if not more on Coin. I (the BLM) kited it while the healer put regen on me and got the other two up. When they died again, we did it again. Was it a flawless victory. No. Did we win. Yes. Every single class in this game has a responsibility. That's why it take 4+ people to do a dungeon.

As to your last part:

Should people be nicer? Yes, a million times yes. Inside and outside dungeons, people are just rude. It's a game people. have fun.
Is MY inexperience a valid reason to be an ass? No because if you're talking specifically to me:
1) I'm NOT rude to people in game, unless they go off first, and I'm never rude to new players I meet.
2) I've been playing since 1.0 and know my jobs. If I don't or it's new to me, I get help from friends/fc members/info online and play with my friends until I feel comfortable enough to play with people I don't know, seeing how rude they can be.
3) The original topic that she quoted was the fact that a high level player was being rude to my friend on her 2nd dungeon. So it had nothing to do with an inexperienced player being rude. It had to do with high level players being rude to a new player who had just started the game and was basically doing her first story line dungeon.

Also I would like to give an update on my friend~!

She has continued to be a GLD, learning from online sources and from us. She has successfully done the other story line dungeons, including Ifrit and joining her Grand company, with no further complaints (she adores her chocobo! heehee) and feels she's getting much better at the class which makes her even more confident. She loves GLD, is very dedicated to it and has no plans of playing anything else at the moment.

I'm glad she didn't let a high level person who told her she was doing it wrong and should play DPS take her away from what she liked, because she's becoming an really good tank. I'm still happy I told her not to listen to them and to keep on practicing and stay with what she wants to play. In my mind, as long as a new player listens, learns and takes feedback (not rudeness, feedback) they should be able to do anything they want too.

The whole point of this thread (at least the way I took it), and the OP can correct me if I am wrong, was the fact that the OP was thinking back. Remembering how it was for them when they first started and some of the rudeness that they had to deal with from other players. Now that they are high level, they can see that nothing had changed, players are still continuing to be rude to new players, putting them down in low level dungeons etc. To me it feels they are saying "this was my experience back in XYZ, and I still see it happening now, and it has to stop." Which I agree, it does have to stop, there is no reason for it.

Even Yoshi-P said this game (with a person's first 50) is set up like a huge tutorial, each dungeon and class/job mission is created to use all the skills that the player is getting as they level up. Some skill's might be new to them, so the dungeon and class/job missions teache them how to use them properly. By the time they reach 50 they should know their job completely at that point, and that will make endgame and other jobs easier to understand. If this is fact, no matter what job they start out as, the process and dungeon's they take to get to 50 on their job is still part of their tutorial, according to him.

Now if their are players who were 100% perfect from day 1 to now and never had an issue, never got confused or lost, never wiped a party, never got a complaint etc... if there is such a player and they wanna be rude? Well then you're a magical being and I guess you can be. But I doubt there is one person in this game that can say that. We were once like them, and we wouldn't have wanted people to treat us like this. So why do people treat them like that?

Do unto others, as you would have done to you... because karma sucks. That is what I believe.

[TeaTimeBear]

I'm conflicted about this. I guess in general you should have a nice attitude towards babys on their first dungeon. But the thing that causes conflict for me is being nice and trying to give advice can cause said new player to take it completely wrong... It's just like you can't win no matter what. The topic is about new people being barked at well what about helpful people being attacked for helping?

[Teirshin]

I've said it several times on these forums, that this community is one of, if not THE most hostile I've seen in years of MMO's. I used to think WoW was bad, but they've got nothing on the asshats around here.

A new player coming in now, one year after launch is like a piece of raw meat being tossed into a piranha tank.

Its only made worse because the veteran players have run every single thing in the game close to 1,000 times now, (because there's so little to do), that they can do it in their sleep, and thus have no tolerance for a new player going in for the first time who cant speedrun everything in the dungeon list.

Are there good/helpful players out there? Certainly. They just seem to be about as rare as coeurl swimsuits.

Best advice I can give.. find a group of other new players, form your own FC and help each other learn. You'll all have a lot of fun, and bond through the trial and error of learning all the things that others now take for granted.

[KaiKatzchen]

I'm conflicted about this. I guess in general you should have a nice attitude towards babys on their first dungeon. But the thing that causes conflict for me is being nice and then trying to give advice can cause said new player to take it completely wrong... It's just like you can't win no matter what. The topic is about new people being barked at well what about helpful people being attacked for helping?

I agree, I usually do it this way:

First if I see a new player I don't fawn and baby them, I say-

/see's that it says new player in dungeon or looks like someone doesn't know their job 100%

"Hey guys, let's do good on this~! And if you need any advice or help please let me know. I'd be glad to help you out!

/goes and does dungeon, helps if asked or if a see a mess up, give helpful advice just in general.

/other person get's on older player for wanting to help out

"Well how are they going to get better if we don't help them,or at least tell them how to better themselves? Anyway it will probably get us though faster and they will learn."

/most of the time complainer agrees and we go, I've only had maybe 2 times someone actually left and the next person coming in was helpful as well.

No matter which was you look at it, either new players getting barked at, or old players getting yelled at for helping. People are being rude to other players which is harassment, and this game is supposed to be fun. A place people can go to forget the stress of the day, not to have people yell and harass them. People just need to stop being rude to other players, period.

Even on the official website it says:

PREVAIL THROUGH TEAMWORK
No class or job is without its weaknesses, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. By working together in a party, you will be able to make up for the shortcomings of each individual.
Where a lone adventurer would fall, companions can work together to turn bitter defeat into sweet victory.

So why does it seem in a game where teamwork is important, people don't want to help one another?

[CrystalRainbow]

My wife is a tank, 1st and foremost. And she refuses to run content the 1st time without people in LS/FC. She just doesn't want to be yelled at to treated badly.

On that note, she has been playing a WHM a lot more as of late because of bad treatment as a tank.

[kidvideo]

Try to be helpful rather than hurtful.

huh... People being rude to other people. That has never happened in the history of forever.

[FritoBandito]

huh... People being rude to other people. That has never happened in the history of forever.

I seriously doubt OP created the post because he/she felt it was something new and unheard of.

[kidvideo]

I seriously doubt OP created the post because he/she felt it was something new and unheard of.

Of course. But chances are that a rude person will not be swayed by anything posted here. Some people are just plain jerks.

[AngelMoon]

From the sounds of it, you don't know your rotation, know the run, and don't have a keyboard to communicate, and im guessing you didn't look up guides for the run as well? Sorry, but I really don't feel sorry for you.