Is this the road they will continue to take with items?

[Dwill]

You spelled out my point in your own retort. Simple to understand and yet look at Ramuh EX. SE making rookie mistakes.... blah blah blah go see my previous post.



My point

"wooosh"

your head

The post had nothing to really do with your PoV in a negative way..... but go ahead I enjoy some late night chuckles.

I got your point, it's still a worthless one and you really don't seem to get it but hey, they do say ignorance is bliss so be my guest.

Already untrue. The best weapons in the game right now come only from coil now and that is the only choice. One choice. One choice out of three top weapons. Yet people settle for soldiery weapon or novus. A lot of these people are not actively seeking out HA weapons either. Just go out and check random players running around. You will easily find players who are in full soldiery gear when it's known that mix and match are BiS. You'll find lots of players running around in a lot of soldiery gear but no sands upgrade too. Most likely because they do not enjoy hunts enough to participate in that content to get the items needed.

Providing more choices for the same level of weapon and gear with varying ways of acquisition, time spent requirement and skill check requirement will have players picking what fits their play style and cannot be a bad thing. Serious players will try to do everything and pick out the BiS while the less serious players will just pick what's reasonable to them, like what most are already doing. Fears about being ostracized for not having certain bis pieces also seems groundless. I have been in coil2 PFs with near i100+ requirement post 2.3 where getting an i110 weapon is incredibly easy and someone brings an atma weapon as a dps and nobody puts up a fuss. This isn't even about having some minor unique skill mod on your gear either, it's having way way less raw power than the player could have while still meeting the ilvl requirement set by the leader and the party didn't care.

You make it sound like people who settle for Novus and Soldiery also have the choice of getting the High Allagan weapons but choose to just forego the weapon because they can, which is entirely untrue. People settle for the Novus and Soldiery weapons and the soldiery armor principally because most of them can't even get past T5 which makes it unable for them to even get access to High Allagan pieces of armor and the i115 weapon.

People will pick what's best for their job, no whatever playstyle random person A decides. People will optimize their job as best they can with what you give them so if you give them the choice between two pieces of gear, they will pick the one that's the best, guaranteed. Because, honestly, who would pick something that's inferior if they have the choice ? By the way, do you know why no one is making a fuss about bad DPS in game ? Because even stating someone is doing terrible DPS will be a first class ticket to a GM report with the possibility of the ban hammer coming straight for your face.

[ispano]

People will pick what's best for their job, no whatever playstyle random person A decides. People will optimize their job as best they can with what you give them so if you give them the choice between two pieces of gear, they will pick the one that's the best, guaranteed. Because, honestly, who would pick something that's inferior if they have the choice ? By the way, do you know why no one is making a fuss about bad DPS in game ? Because even stating someone is doing terrible DPS will be a first class ticket to a GM report with the possibility of the ban hammer coming straight for your face.

Bolded is false btw. If you mention actual DPS numbers from a parser, or just mentioning the parser while doing so, then perhaps. But just saying someone is doing poor DPS? Nothing wrong there. Know why? Because saying someone is doing poor DPS isn't breaking any rules.

[cryptic_angel]

I got your point, it's still a worthless one and you really don't seem to get it but hey, they do say ignorance is bliss so be my guest.

You backed up my point with your own rebuttal.

I will just re-quote you real fast just in case you already forgot:

People will always do the fights that gets them the best gear and ignore the rest, whether it's horizontal or vertical progression.That's not so hard to get is it ? Making a horizontal progression somewhat works would require the gear

Your point here is brilliant! Nay! Exceptionally brilliant! Stupendous! Five Stars, would totally read again!

I agree 100% that most players will skip over content that lacks proper incentives. People don't do Ramuh EX because of poor incentives to do the fight.

It seems SE does not know how to put in proper rewards to entice players to do the latest EX primal. SE is making rookie mistakes! If I was yoshi, I would have put in ilvl 110 rings in Ramuh EX. Seems like a much smarter design decision to me. You can white knight it up all you like, but every patch comes with horrible developer mistakes.

So how many high allagan weapons do you have? You seem to think its very easy, even savage, which like 2 groups worldwide have cleared all of. Are you going to put up or use the "groups hold me back" excuse that convinces no one.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3085650/ I have one

Yes, it is hard to even try brutal coil when your static does not want to do it! What am I supposed to do? Should I quit my static because they don't want to do brutal coil for some crappy titles that would be hidden most of the time anyways?

[Gardes]

Novus and Soldiery weapons and the soldiery armor principally because most of them can't even get past T5 which makes it unable for them to even get access to High Allagan pieces of armor and the i115 weapon.

You make it sound like that's the only reason people dont do coil 2. There are people who, after being helped get past t5 still don't want to try coil2 while it's up to date. I've seen people claim in my random hunting ls that they don't even want to try t5 seriously yet after a couple tried because they want to do something else in the game. Mean while this same person is happily hunting everyday and buying up sands and oils to i110 his gear. Yes, people will ask for the gold axe when some random lady of the lake shows them a gold axe and a silver axe and asks them which one they want to be given. If BiS means that much to every player, they will be throwing themselves at twintania until they can start trying for the i110 bis pieces and reject the alternative soldiery pieces that are not BiS but they are not. They pick soldiery because it's more reasonable for them.

I don't know how people just read what I post (asking for more paths per ilvl increase that arent as extreme in stat increases, using older content as a spring board so that they are not completely junk) and then come to the conclusion that I'm asking 24+ hour spawn NM grabs with 1% drop rates or that I'm lamenting that HA weapon being the best weapon gained from the hardest content is unfair.

[Dwill]

also because you don't need a parser to see someone is doing clearly sub par dps

Good luck trying to convince me that you have time to watch your and 3 other DPS' damage output while doing mechanics in a 8-man and determine who is doing good and who is doing bad.

You make it sound like that's the only reason people dont do coil 2. There are people who, after being helped get past t5 still don't want to try coil2 while it's up to date. I've seen people claim in my random hunting ls that they don't even want to try t5 seriously yet after a couple tried because they want to do something else in the game. Mean while this same person is happily hunting everyday and buying up sands and oils to i110 his gear. Yes, people will ask for the gold axe when some random lady of the lake shows them a gold axe and a silver axe and asks them which one they want to be given. If BiS means that much to every player, they will be throwing themselves at twintania until they can start trying for the i110 bis pieces and reject the alternative soldiery pieces that are not BiS but they are not. They pick soldiery because it's more reasonable for them.

They pick soldiery because it's more easily accessible to them.

I don't know how people just read what I post (asking for more paths per ilvl increase that arent as extreme in stat increases, using older content as a spring board so that they are not completely junk) and then come to the conclusion that I'm asking 24+ hour spawn NM grabs with 1% drop rates or that I'm lamenting that HA weapon being the best weapon gained from the hardest content is unfair.

False. These two things that I've never claimed.

[Ooshima]

I don't know how people just read what I post (asking for more paths per ilvl increase that arent as extreme in stat increases, using older content as a spring board so that they are not completely junk) and then come to the conclusion that I'm asking 24+ hour spawn NM grabs with 1% drop rates or that I'm lamenting that HA weapon being the best weapon gained from the hardest content is unfair.

Already untrue. The best weapons in the game right now come only from coil now and that is the only choice. One choice. One choice out of three top weapons.

Which is what my post to your post is about. It is only natural that the best weapon is one choice. Simple isn't it?

Providing more choices for the same level of weapon and gear with varying ways of acquisition, time spent requirement and skill check requirement will have players picking what fits their play style and cannot be a bad thing.

You do have these choices don't you. Skilled with time? Coil. Semi-skilled with okok amount of time? Do CT, get the UAT and do some hunts for Sands, IL110 weapon, you got it. No skill at all (I am not hinting that relic is solely for non-skilled, but at the least the non-skilled still have an option for IL110 weapon)? Do your relic quest. These are choices according to variation of job skills and play time.