People are being cruel to new players

[Grimmies]

I even remember very specifically that one of the GLD quests talks about how Flash is supposed to be used. It's not hard to see how that's useful in a group situation.

I just looked it up real quick for fun.

"Bruce: Well, I can't keep the lad/lass from gettin' skewered, but I'll patch him/her up best I can.

Mylla: (player name), defend Bruce. He knows powerful healing magicks, but he cannot employ them unless you keep all your enemies occupied. Do not forget to use your Flash technique.

Bruce: Aye, I'm countin' on you to keep those bastards away from me. Watch me back and I'll watch yours."

Yup, not knowing what Flash does is a very poor excuse.

[Sapphic]

There are many reasons why a newbie doesn't know what they're doing.

But theres many resources they can look up to help themselves, finding more indepth explanations of what to do rather than hoping randoms in DF will explain how to play their role. Players giving advice isn't a necessity or a right, it's a bonus. Why should someone stop and type out what the person could have easily found out beforehand? The info is the same, difference is that it doesn't put expected demands on other players.

Why should you expect randoms in DF to explain something you could have easily found out yourself? Show some initiative. Also theres a difference in "Games" solo player games, you can do what you want, multiplayer games, what you do affects others too. It's upto you if it's positive or negative, being lazy is negative.

just typed in FFXIV ARR guide to tanking and got this:

http://www.xivnation.com/guides/part...nks-tanks-dds/

Seconds to find.

[Gardes]

I just looked it up real quick for fun.
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Yup, not knowing what Flash does is a very poor excuse.

A pity that the class quests are easy and most of the time let you slide without paying too much attention. They even give you echo right from launch for these quests so you can brute force things while ignoring most of the quest if you fail. I found this out while trying to finish the dragoon quest when I didnt have a vpn to keep my connection stable. I took every single aoe the drg in the final quest aimed at me and I died multiple times and each time I kept getting stronger. Would have been better if the game didn't let me pass just like that, even if latency was the one holding me back.

[Sapphic]

For the most part, people can tell when someone is new by just the class they are on - the base classes I mean. When someone is up in the advanced jobs, they should know what they are doing by that point.

Emphasis on "Should" XD

Did a Brayflox HM run with a 50 WAR/15 GLD. Full crafted 90 gear, no materia at all. Didn't have a clue on how to tank, wouldnt use defiance, no BB combo, just random attacks. Strong suspicion was a bought account tho.

[Grimmies]

A pity that the class quests are easy and most of the time let you slide without paying too much attention. They even give you echo right from launch for these quests so you can brute force things while ignoring most of the quest if you fail. I found this out while trying to finish the dragoon quest when I didnt have a vpn to keep my connection stable. I took every single aoe the drg in the final quest aimed at me and I died multiple times and each time I kept getting stronger. Would have been better if the game didn't let me pass just like that, even if latency was the one holding me back.

Hmm.. Yeah.. But i still read everything for my class/job quests, including what they tell you during battle. It certainly does help you learn your job. Again, I'm saying that "Oh i skipped the tutorials" is a horrible excuse.

[Yumi_umi]

What i would do is:
1) tell that person to stop doing stuff ( after we are in a safe area and out of battle )
2) tell them / guide them to their abilities menu
3) go read each one / the ones they don't know
4)read it again
5)read it again
6) read it again
7) let it sink in
8) then let them fix their skill/ ability bars
9) pray that they have understood something
I join instances to get the job done, not to spoon feed new players.
I always checked what the ability did each time i unlocked one.
"Learn as you go" not learn at the end and struggle as you go.

[Nicobo]

People are being cruel to new players...[/I]

Take it easy, even you are the best [insert_your_job_here] in the game, those bad ppl will still blame you for anything. Suggest never keep anything from them in your mind. ^^;

[Riviere]

This doesn't apply to every new player, but some of them are pricks. It doesn't matter how you say it, the very moment you let them know that they're doing their job wrong, they become hostile and star telling you how many Lv90's they have in WoW or start refusing to do anything at all.

My first run on Halatali as a tank back when ARR launched was annoying, at least the first half. I had a PUG who for some reason, was always attacking a different mob than the rest of us. When I switched to the one he was attacking, he would then switch to a different one, even when they were marked. He was going ahead of us and pulling, in some occasions even pulling an extra group. One time we almost wiped because he pulled an extra group but we survived, him being the only one who died. I asked him to please stop pulling and let me handle it. He got upset and on the next pull, he grabbed as many groups as he could and lured them to us. He was killed before he could reach us and because the healer didn't heal him at all, the mobs went back to their positions, then he ragequit.

Newbies can be jerks too.

[abzoluut]

Sorry but that hurt

"I totally agree with assmunches being cruel". I consider myself an mmo veteran and I think I'm pretty nice to beginners >.<

I'm sorry and reading it back it sounds harsh..

However, I consider myself a veteran too (hence the I wasn't new to MMO's part). I meant to say that veterans can be cruel. I've never came across a newbie who was cruel. Some are stubborn though, I can tell you that!

I hope this straightens things out a bit.

[sayafrost]

I had the same issue, this is my first MMO, and i newnothing, uim on ps3, and havent had the keyboard at the time. I started as a tank, after coperbell mines, I decided to level up a DPS, because of how stressed out I was. (and yes I did get a keyboard, I do have my tank to 50, but I never tank XD)

Now if i see a tank strugling, I tell them not to worry, that I have their back, and if someone starts irritating comments I tell them if they don't like it to drop out of dungeon. A month ago I had in sastasha this really clueless tank, I was healing, but for every step i tried to help him as much as I could, and he actually got better from the beginning of the dungeon to the end.

EDIT: and after months I still see myself as a beginner, I read everything i can get my hands on, just sometimes I'm really stupid