Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[Tupsi]

There is no thieves guild, there is only a Rogue guild which has been around for a long time, and based entirely in Limsa Lominsa, why can you not understand that? The techniques Yugiri teaches will be more akin to Ninja than Rogue.

I think it has to do with the fact there's no actual guild present. Arcanist had a guild present and worked "behind the scenes" for "many years" as part of Limsa's "foundation", even during 1.0 days.

Who say's Yugiri even teachs us the Ninja skills

The story...basically tells us she'll be our teacher since she's an important figure and her and thancred basically share the same style about - She wouldn't have been seeking to establish a 'public' guild if she was going to have no part in it.

[whiskeybravo]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it could be possible for them to introduce rogue as a starting class, they would just tell the story of Yugri earlier instead of later. I'm thinking of it sort of like how Revenant's Toll has changed, and the people that got to see it early on when it was just a couple of straw huts have those memories that new players won't. I doesn't seem like it would be that hard to just change those cut scenes to Rogue, those who have already viewed it are unaffected (maybe you watch them again, or it's just a brief synopsis when joining the guild), and current players that haven't got that far would see them when joining the guild (same as new players). I dunno, just my thoughts.

[silentwindfr]

the question is more, do it worth them time and money (i'm talking of SE) change the cut scene, redo the vocal part, change the code for the npc talk and such it's really long a mmorpg it's made of millions of line of code, it's why they have always soo much trouble with each patch to find every bug.

new player experience are already very good, it's time to move up and look at make better the PLAYER experience... that lacking a lot in many point.

[Radacci]

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you're just jealous and selfish...
you think SE isn't gonna introduce rog/nin from the beginning, just because YOU have waited for a year? really?
what makes you so sure new players haven't waited for a year? maybe they didnt start playing because there was no ninja...
but maybe you're entitled to nin, because you actually played the game for a year, and they didnt?
maybe they should add ninja as a reward for subscribing for a year instead? that would be fair?

[Erudain]

It's one of the things that I truly want to see....how they'll solve the time paradox of having Yugiri arrive in 2.2 story quest and they even went as far as telling us that she'll be the one to teach us the NIN ways.

The most logical choice would be, you have to get to that point or beyond of the main story for NIN to become available to you...(which of course would suck for new players)
If they want to allow "new" lv30 players becoming NIN while they haven't even beaten Titan NM, I really hope they can come up with a great story or plot twist.....NOT something among the lines of "here, there is this second awesome NIN who's just happen to be here for you to meet".....that's a deux ex machina resource and is usually sign of bad writting.

[Giantbane]

It's one of the things that I truly want to see....how they'll solve the time paradox of having Yugiri arrive in 2.2 story quest and they even went as far as telling us that she'll be the one to teach us the NIN ways.

The most logical choice would be, you have to get to that point or beyond of the main story for NIN to become available to you...(which of course would suck for new players)
If they want to allow "new" lv30 players becoming NIN while they haven't even beaten Titan NM, I really hope they can come up with a great story or plot twist.....NOT something among the lines of "here, there is this second awesome NIN who's just happen to be here for you to meet".....that's a deux ex machina resource and is usually sign of bad writting.

Or they might change the story in some way so that Yugri is already here for new characters. Evolving world and all that.

[Erudain]

I guess depends of the work/resources involved?....kinda seems like coming up with a good plot twist should be faster & cheaper than re-writting and re-recording all the 2.1 and 2.2 storyline.

Or they might change the story in some way so that Yugri is already here for new characters. Evolving world and all that.

[MageBlack]

Or they might change the story in some way so that Yugri is already here for new characters. Evolving world and all that.

Exactly. Each class/job already has their own storyline that follows it. Since its a secret society I dont see why it couldnt have been there all along, lurking in the shadows. Via the class quests you could be introduced to the Domas earlier than the story mode does.
-OR-
it could be restricted for now due to the 2.0 story arch but could be made available from the starting choices once 3.0 hits. The event that ends the 2.0 story could be a catalyst for many changes. Fact remains, we simply don't know.

[Niwashi]

This is a fascinating discussion of alternate possibilities, but hasn't it already been confirmed that Rogue will be a class and Ninja a job? Classes start at 1. Jobs start at 30. If SE wants to add a third tier that starts at 50, it would be something other than a class or job. A specialty, perhaps, or a vocation, a calling, a trade (perhaps that last one works better for an advanced crafting class). Anyway, there are plenty of other terms they could find that don't already have a different meaning within the game.

[Souljacker]

This is a fascinating discussion of alternate possibilities, but hasn't it already been confirmed that Rogue will be a class and Ninja a job? Classes start at 1. Jobs start at 30.

And at some point SE is going to have to address that as well. There's currently no real *need* to ever take off a soul crystal. It's disappointing that classes are basically useless and we only play jobs anyway. I'd rather see all start at 1 and end at 50, so that the two are completely separate experiences. Ninja doesn't need to "evolve" from anything. It can start at 1. Rogue doesn't need to be a "base class" for anything, it can be its own separate experience.

There is some major retooling that will eventually need to be done because of how SE limited themselves with this current implementation. I hope they start with the new classes being released.