mmorpg's review

[Naqaj]

Noone in this thread has a valid rebutal to anything. Everyone is just throwing incompatible opinions at each other, claiming to be right where the other is wrong, discarding others opinions with bickering about semantics. This is a game forum. That's the way it goes. If you take anything in here serious, you're wasting your time.

[Preypacer]

Noone in this thread has a valid rebutal to anything. Everyone is just throwing incompatible opinions at each other, claiming to be right where the other is wrong, discarding others opinions with bickering about semantics. This is a game forum. That's the way it goes. If you take anything in here serious, you're wasting your time.

No.

People are discussing a very valid and very relevant issue regarding a very unprofessional reviewer publishing a very dubious review on a high profile website.

Your closing assertion notwithstanding - as that is your opinion, nothing more (it also hasn't stopped you from joining the fray throughout the thread - hypocrisy?) - this is an issue that does bear discussion. MMORPG.com's review is not posted by some random blogger on some random blogspot site somewhere. It's an official review posted on a high traffic website.

If you find it to be a waste of your time, however, well... nothing's stopping you from ducking out and moving on, now is it?

[Naqaj]

People are discussing a very valid and very relevant issue regarding a very unprofessional reviewer publishing a very dubious review on a high profile website.

Whether that review is dubious or that reviewer is unprofessional is just as much a matter of opinion as the state of the game itself, as the very existance of this thread shows. Once the discussion no longer is about actually talking to each, but simply discarding any opposing views as invalid while stubbornly insisting to be in possesion of the only truth, it becomes a farce that should not be taken seriously.

Your closing assertion notwithstanding - as that is your opinion, nothing more (it also hasn't stopped you from joining the fray throughout the thread - hypocrisy?) - this is an issue that does bear discussion. MMORPG.com's review is not posted by some random blogger on some random blogspot site somewhere. It's an official review posted on a high traffic website.

I have not excluded myself from my assertion of this discussion, so I see no base for you accusing me of hypocrisy. And yes, like many other reviews that concluded in calling XIV a rather bad game, this one was also on a high traffic MMO website. And just like with those other reviews, the rabid fanboys are out to defend their little game, as they should. That's a fanboys obligation, after all.

If you find it to be a waste of your time, however, well... nothing's stopping you from ducking out and moving on, now is it?

Wasting time is just as valid a reason to come here as is pretending to have meaningful discussions about game reviews.

[Preypacer]

Whether that review is dubious or that reviewer is unprofessional is just as much a matter of opinion as the state of the game itself, as the very existance of this thread shows.

Really. So referring to a major change to the game as merely "rumored" is only so "in someone's opinion"? No. It's misinformation.

Demonstrating that they barely played beyond the opening cinematics, but yet opining on the storyline overall anyway isn't dubious or disingenuous?

Posting the review 4 days before the first of a series of major, game-changing updates that would render many of the review points invalid isn't dubious or, at the least, highly irresponsible?

Hell, I don't need to go down each point. They've all been well described and well discussed. The issues raised with that review and the questions raised about the integrity of the reviewer have nothing to do with "opinion".

I have not excluded myself from my assertion of this discussion, so I see no base for you accusing me of hypocrisy. And yes, like many other reviews that concluded in calling XIV a rather bad game, this one was also on a high traffic MMO website. And just like with those other reviews, the rabid fanboys are out to defend their little game, as they should. That's a fanboys obligation, after all.

Hypocrisy had a ? after it. It was a question. Not a statement.

With the rest of your post... yet again... someone ignoring the specific points raised about the review and trying to distort it into being about "fanboys upset about a poor review".

Once more... and please try to follow along and comprehend this... No one is upset that the game got a poor review. No one is arguing that it deserves a better review. No one is arguing that the game isn't in bad shape and needs work. No one is claiming that a low score for the game at this time is unjustified.

Trying to argue any one of those things, or anything in the same vein is absolutely useless because it's not what anyone is taking issue with. There are no "fanboys defending their little game". There are, however, people like yourself doing their damndest to twist and distort what *is* being said into something that *isn't*. Doing so at this point, with the amount of times the case has been made and repeated, is beyond defensible. It's outright willful ignorance.

There are people quite accurately and very intelligently addressing issues with a suspiciously timed "review" containing factual errors, hyperbole and commentary that's dubious at best, given the amount of time the reviewer apparently spent in the game.

Continuing to repeat the cop-out of "oh the fanboys are upset about their game getting a poor review" is not clever nor compelling. It's intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.

Wasting time is just as valid a reason to come here as is pretending to have meaningful discussions about game reviews.

Some of us are having a meaningful discussion about something; a poorly researched, reviewed and published review from a high-profile website. The issues at hand are well represented and detailed, in black and white, over numerous thread pages. That you choose to remain ignorant of that is your problem, no one else's.

Regardless, argument from ignorance (willful or otherwise) is not a valid debate tactic.

Perhaps having irresponsibly false information being spread for a game you play and enjoy is no problem for you. It is for others.

Further, if you find this thread bothersome... you do not have to participate. No one's putting a gun to your head forcing you to respond. You ostensibly don't agree with, nor care about the issue being discussed. So, outside of trolling, why are you sticking around?

[Naqaj]

Hypocrisy had a ? after it. It was a question. Not a statement.

Haha, of course it was a question. An innocent, honest question. How rude of me to assume anything else. One could think this was the internet.