mmorpg's review

[giftforce]

"blabbering" is a simple pejorative, "chocked full of" is a simple adjective. None of them is an hyperbole. Sorry mate, might want to grasp less straws and try with solid arguments

Now you're just arguing semantics. Quite literally.

Just because something is a pejorative or an adjective (and a simple one at that) does not mean it is not an hyperbole. Such things may still be misleading exaggerations, and in point of fact, are. So please restrict your comments to those that are relevant to the discussion at hand. Writing superfluous statements which do not contribute to the discussion and serve only to add words to the page are not an efficient use of one's time. Not mine, not yours.

[Picoman]

Now you're just arguing semantics. Quite literally.

Just because something is a pejorative or an adjective (and a simple one at that) does not mean it is not an hyperbole. Such things may still be misleading exaggerations, and in point of fact, are. So please restrict your comments to those that are relevant to the discussion at hand. Writing superfluous statements which do not contribute to the discussion and serve only to add words to the page are not an efficient use of one's time. Not mine, not yours.

Well you are obviously good at multitasking coz we all know you only got one hand on the keyboard when you type your rubbish.

[giftforce]

Well you are obviously good at multitasking coz we all know you only got one hand on the keyboard when you type your rubbish.

What am I doing with the other hand, may I ask?

[Bubblesz]

Does it involve a rubber chicken?!!

[Shipp]

Well, no. I did see a few open insults on your side. Maybe it's a matter of language barrier (you don't seem a native english speaker to me), but if I were you I'd chose your wording a tad more carefully next time.

I believe he already admitted several pages ago that he was intentionally trolling and calling people idiots, retards, etc.

[Black_Rose]

reviews are allways biased, why i simply don't read them.
before judging a game i atleast try it once.
a reviewer can point out obvious things like lack of content and such, but there are also things that don't appeal to everyone.

i quickly read thru it and checked the comments afterwards, and i noticed someone saying he would rate the game another point down for the lack of jump.....at that point it's obvious that it comes down to your personal taste in the end.

sadly way to few games these days offer a downloadable demo/trial, which why it's hard to get a good/bad first impression on a game without actually needing to buy/register it.
i think as soon SE's going to charge for FFXIV again the first thing they should do is offer a trial that either allows you to play 24 hours (logged in time) or for a specific amount of gained experience on your character.
this will gradually help new and old players that are thinking of coming back to see if the game has changed/improved from before without instantly paying for a monthly subscription again.

[Carmillia]

The timing of the review was bad. A review should be a few weeks after release to inform customers (irrespective of what anyone would say, like SE asked to hold on the reviews: a professional reviewer would have said f*** that, it's released, I'm reviewing it). Another good time for a review is AFTER a big patch that is announced to radically alter the gaming experience so that it is valid for a long enough time for people to being misleaded by the said review. In the case of FFXIV, I say that reviewing after patch 1.20 would have been a professional way of doing a FIRST review of the game so long after its release.

Second of all, the review itself is not well written (a lot of statements without arguments to defend those statements) as a good review should do. Also, it is obvious that the reviewer did not spend enough time ingame to experience most of the things has to offer. There was no words on: crafting system, gathering system, market wards system, transportation system, sidequests, notorious monster. The review in that sense is not accurate as it is not complete.

This review was clearly made by someone who created 3 accounts to check the 3 starter cities missions (just read it very carefully). Did one or two guildleves and called it a day! I don't even think the reviewer was high enough level to unlock the sidequests, which is at level 10 if I'm correct and takes like 15minutes to get... There was so many more things to be said in the review that it shows the lack of work and professionalism.

[Preypacer]

I don't care if you make yourself look like a fool along with everyone else going to essentially troll someone. That's fine if you want to do that. I hardly see how those of us who can actually see the author's point are throwing a temper tantrum. We're not the one calling people names.

You see the reviewer's point in asserting something that's clearly been confirmed as being "rumored"? What point is there in that?

You see the reviewer's point in including UI as part of the game's graphics? What point is there in that? Most reviews I've read have UI/Interface as their own category. What point was there in this reviewer lumping it in with a category it doesn't belong in?

You see the reviewer's point in giving an opinion on content they evidently never even got to or experienced? What point is there in that?

Care to share with us all these "points" that some of us - according to you - aren't "actually seeing"?

I'm genuinely curious to see how you can spin those things into anything but damning evidence of a poorly researched and written review by a less-than-credible reviewer.

Please do so without resorting to ad hominems (calling people fanboys, etc) or strawmen (making it about the score, etc).

It actually hasn't. Any non-FF player going in XIV is just as likely to put it down right now as they were at launch. Sure, the UI lag is largely fixed, there a few quests that have no real purpose, and NMs that feel like filler material. Clearly the game is golden compared to launch. If it makes me a hater to call a spade a spade, then label me a hater until the cows come home. I'm not going to sit here and pretend the game is great just because I enjoy it, or you enjoy it. It's not.

... because you know every non FF player who might decide to pick the game up now and what they would do?

I think you should stick to speaking for yourself. You're unqualified to speak for anyone else... let alone a population of hypothetical people you couldn't possibly know or identify.

The game has improved since launch. Whether it's "a lot", "a little", "plenty" or "not enough" is entirely subjective and depends on what a given individual thinks of it.

I find it funny how those still attempting to make a strong argument for the review at this point are repeatedly resorting to either strawmen, conjecture or ad hominems. Fewer and fewer are actually even attempting to address the actual points that have been raised time and again now.

So, your entire last paragraph is a non-argument. It's personal opinion wrapped up in conjecture and asserted as fact.

[Preypacer]

I use to get all defensive over this game, then I realized I wasn't really having fun and pretty much quit playing.

Sometimes, the things we may hate to hear or read bother us because we deny the truth contained in it....

First, there's a bit of untruth in the review as well. Again, referring to significant changes to a combat system that have been *confirmed* as being merely "rumored" is not "truthful". It's either irresponsibly ill-researched, or outright dishonest.

A number of elements of the review are, as has been stated, rather hyperbolic - exaggerated for effect. Hyperbole, by definition, is not an accurate representation of the truth.

And again.. no one is claiming the game isn't in bad shape. In fact, some of the complaints posted in that "review" things people have known about all along. Again, we *know* the game is in bad shape and needs a lot of improvement. SE knows the game is in bad shape and needs improvement. I don't think you're going to find very much disagreement on that.

But that's also not what people have issue with.

Once again, the entire issue has nothing to do with "negative things being said about the game", or the "score being too low" as some have tried to spin it. People really need to get over trying to assert those strawman arguments and start dealing with what people have been saying, instead of arguing against things they haven't.

The issue is with the timing of the review and how the reviewer conducted themselves in putting it together.

The two are not the same.

[Synthesis]

This one is still bein' discussed ? Mmorpg's review shows that the game is at bad state.
Game review is average everywhere 3-5/10, now new one review poped out after 10 months since release showing that the game is horrible. Nothing to be angry about, its review. You can write your owns on blogs, etc.

Let's just hope SE will try fix FFXIV's reputation to succeed with PS3 reviews. I will put it simply, PC reviews kicked game off the list.