mmorpg's review

[Preypacer]

Noone in this thread has a valid rebutal to anything. Everyone is just throwing incompatible opinions at each other, claiming to be right where the other is wrong, discarding others opinions with bickering about semantics. This is a game forum. That's the way it goes. If you take anything in here serious, you're wasting your time.

No.

People are discussing a very valid and very relevant issue regarding a very unprofessional reviewer publishing a very dubious review on a high profile website.

Your closing assertion notwithstanding - as that is your opinion, nothing more (it also hasn't stopped you from joining the fray throughout the thread - hypocrisy?) - this is an issue that does bear discussion. MMORPG.com's review is not posted by some random blogger on some random blogspot site somewhere. It's an official review posted on a high traffic website.

If you find it to be a waste of your time, however, well... nothing's stopping you from ducking out and moving on, now is it?

[Synthesis]

No.

Now you are trying to spin and distort what people have said. You're misrepresenting specific arguments people have made - in detail, several times.

Dont take the issue bad, lol. It sounds a bit harsh I have to admit. Excuse my English once again. What I wanted to say is that reviewer packs all into one number at the end, the score. I dont have to agree with the score neither with time the review at mmorpg was written in. I know that it will be outdated in 1 more day. I stated this before in this thread that I dont get time why they release it now. It was written, dont blame me.

By final verdict ( score ) I mean that many new players will look at this and say simply : that the game is bad and lacks this and that as is stated in review, underlined with bad score. Even if that is outdated review, its underlined with Reviewed On: July 18, 2011 .

For new readers this matters dont tell me that doesnt. If you dont know the whole story, and you wanna find out first informations you will look at the review. Most people do this, its natural.

If I would be new and wanted to try FFXIV I would find out some reviews here and there, for me a single is just a dust. I compare more reviews before I try. In this case review from July 18, 2011 is not different from other reviews that were written in september and so on.

Mmorpg's review poped out few days before first big update, it shows outdating informations and yes I am aware of this. But its showing bad mark to new players - that game is bad. thats all. I am not fighitn for that or this. This is just a whole fact, why I mentioned score. It matters for new players and it repels them back away from game itself.

[Preypacer]

Mmorpg's review poped out few days before first big update, it shows outdating informations and yes I am aware of this. But its out, telling new players - that game is bad. thats all.

It's telling players the game is bad, while citing incorrect, exaggerated and - as you point out as well - soon-to-be out-dated information.

Regardless, the score or what people may think of it isn't the issue.

The issue is with the review itself, the incorrect info, the suspect timing... and so on. Those are the things people are taking issue with.

You keep trying to reduce it all down to a bottom line of "people will see the score and figure the site thinks it's just a poor game". They may well... but then that's the impression they could have gotten from just about any other review out there.

Again... the score or the "impression" it gives, is not what is at issue.

It's the content, timing and delivery of the review itself that is in question.

[Ichi]

lol that's because it's a game. Games are about subjective experiences about what is personally enjoyable and variable across every single individual. It's nice to read reviews and be informed about what your buying when it's a graphics card or a cpu processor, or a bungee cord.

When you start reviewing subjective hobbies you're offering an opinion. That means that the same practicality does not apply for reviews of games as it does for regular items. Sorry to say but i don't pay much attention to video game reviews since no one but me is going to share my subjective desires.

[Preypacer]

lol that's because it's a game. Games are about subjective experiences about what is personally enjoyable and variable across every single individual. It's nice to read reviews and be informed about what your buying when it's a graphics card or a cpu processor, or a bungee cord.

When you start reviewing subjective hobbies you're offering an opinion. That means that the same practicality does not apply for reviews of games as it does for regular items. Sorry to say but i don't pay much attention to video game reviews since no one but me is going to share my subjective desires.

Seriously... Have people given up on even trying to pretend to follow what people are actually discussing in this thread anymore?

It has nothing to do with subjective opinions on the game.

There are over 30 pages of thread after thread after thread pointing out and discussing the same exact specific issues over and over... incorrect information, suspicious timing of the review, exaggerations, etc. etc. etc.

None of it has anything to do with people having an issue with the reviewer's "subjective opinions" on the game.

[Ichi]

Seriously... Have people given up on even trying to pretend to follow what people are actually discussing in this thread anymore?

It has nothing to do with subjective opinions on the game.

There are over 30 pages of thread after thread after thread pointing out and discussing the same exact specific issues over and over... incorrect information, suspicious timing of the review, exaggerations, etc. etc. etc.

None of it has anything to do with people having an issue with the reviewer's "subjective opinions" on the game.

So my point remains valid. I am right to distrust reviews of products who's enjoyability is a factor of personal perspective. I was merely trying to war people of what it is they are actually reading, no reason to jump down my throat. Especially when im not invalidating your point.

[giftforce]

Guys get a life.

So there's another bad review about FFXIV on the internet with one or two factual errors which don't necessarily even impact on anything at all regarding the overall impression of the game.

Welcome to ten months ago.

[Preypacer]

Guys get a life.

So there's another bad review about FFXIV on the internet with one or two factual errors which don't necessarily even impact on anything at all regarding the overall impression of the game.

Welcome to ten months ago.

So you've completely run out of anything resembling a valid or useful response to the topic, so you resort to dismissal tactics and ad-hominems.

Since you've obviously long-since exhausted yourself of anything resembling an honest rebuttal to any point raised in this thread, will you be taking your leave from the thread along with Synthesis? Now would be a good time, I think. Or are ya gonna stick around and troll some more, maybe dig that hole of dishonesty a little deeper for yourself?

[giftforce]

So you've completely run out of anything resembling a valid or useful response to the topic, so you resort to dismissal tactics and ad-hominems.

Since you've obviously long-since exhausted yourself of anything resembling an honest rebuttal to any point raised in this thread, will you be taking your leave from the thread along with Synthesis? Now would be a good time, I think. Or are ya gonna stick around and troll some more, maybe dig that hole of dishonesty a little deeper for yourself?

Well I'm all for championing a hopeless cause, but I'm pretty sure you can't usher in a new era of journalistic integrity. So you might as well just take consolation in the fact that the overall impression that anyone reading the review will get is a close enough approximation to reality. Therefore, the errors don't really matter.

The errors fall within an acceptable range of uncertainty, as it were.

And by the way, I wasn't trying to justify the reviewer's errors, I was just trying to offer you a coping strategy to stop you from going insane. But obviously it doesn't seem to be working. (And please don't bother pointing out my ad hominems, I am in fact quite aware of them, okay? So spare me your latin, know-it-all condescension).