SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[ispano]

If the add on is ok'd by SE, then it will no longer be cheating, it is only cheating now because it is a third party tool and all third party tools are against ToS, so by definition cheating. I would say it's really kind of funny this hasn't sunk in for you yet, but in fact it's really just kind of sad.

No, what's sad is you coupling something with something it's not. Third Party Programs being disallowed in the ToS does not make the act of parsing, cheating. You can argue, like I said earlier, til you're blue in the face and it still will not be true. People do this all the time. They want to "simplify" and classify many things under one term so they don't have to think about it, and you may not be doing that, but that's what's happening.

When you can show me how a parser bypasses game rules, keyword GAME rules, since that's what a cheat does, I MIGHT listen to you. Cheats always make something easier. Not all things that make something easier, are cheats. So, please, blue yourself in the face.

Lastly, assuming the addon is ok'd by SE, parsers we have now will still not be allowed, NOT because they are parsers or that parsers are cheating. Since they never were. They would be not allowed due to being third party programs.

Please realize the disconnect you're having, because I'm done trying to teach you.

If they ever allow an addon or implement an in game parser it will no longer be cheating because even though it would provide an advantage, it would no long be breaking a rule to do it.

No, i'll do one more. No, they would still be against the ToS. Only the one built for the addon API would be allowed. Parsing with something like XIVAPP or others like it, would still be classified under Third Party Programs and Disallowed. Again, nothing to do with the fact that it is a parser. But the fact it's a third party program. Everything you've posted even clearly STATES that, and you ignore it and try to use it for your own argument.

Read that one sentence you quoted from me very carefully, let all the words sink in, I said if they allow an add on or put one in game, it would no longer violate ToS, you are the one ignoring what people post. Not sure why you are bringing up the app, I never mentioned it there, I said the ones they ok would not violate ToS. You are either just so angry you can't prove your point you are ignoring what folks post and even imply stuff we never mention, or there is some disconnect between what you read and what you comprehend and retain.

And that's my post limit for the day, feels kind of wasted so many on this one subject because some folks can't read facts put before them, comprehend them, and accept that no matter how much they argue it has been clearly laid out by the devs.

Why am I bringing up the app, because THAT is what's against the rules. Not the act of parsing. That's what YOU don't comprehend. You try to bundle it all together like they're both the same, when they're not. Your words about the mod and it become non-cheating even proves it. Being against the ToS is only because it's a third party program. NOTHING else. You just choose to think so.

Read the bolded part from the lodestone, tools that parse data are against ToS, are you not seeing that? If you are so certain that you can parse and it's all ok, I will gladly make a character on your server, I will go to a target dummy and you can parse me and whisper me the results, I'll report it to a GM and we will see if the simple act of paring is ok or not.

Do we need to get an English Major in here? Because you're reading the meaning of that line incorrectly.