SMN BIS 2.3

[Dwill]

I dont even play smn, but those are poor examlples. Breaking vines..., is dots up? Then ruin2. Dots falling off? If its time for bio you can run an re apply, then ruin2 or just stand where you are and re apply the rest, dont forgey swift cast, no one demands it for shadowflare. Shriek is terrible example the boss can be targeted pretty much the whole time, use a ruin 2 while you run then go about your business.

How is this even relevant to having DoTs with a cast time that requires clipping ? Could you explain that in a coherent sentence ?

Not to nit pick, but those aren't good examples.
Breaking vines takes like half a second with Sprint, and Dots don't typically need a refresh during them.

Shriek is an 8 second counter, so plenty of time to refresh dots if required before moving into position.

I don't think there's actually any scripted or random parts of a fight that effects Summoner and would require faster casting.

I have a feeling that whatever example I choose will be nitpicked anyway and I don't want to enter a battle of "ifs.

No one is saying Spell Speed is a good stat but to say it is near useless is a lie.

[Judge_Xero]

I have a feeling that whatever example I choose will be nitpicked anyway and I don't want to enter a battle of "ifs.

No one is saying Spell Speed is a good stat but to say it is near useless is a lie.

He he yeah. Sorry wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that. It is really hard to make a point that SMN damage is effected by any fight mechanics.

You're right, that Spell Speed isn't completely worthless, because it does lower your cast/recast time. (even more so on Shadow Flare, Summon and Raise)

SPD ∝ CRIT/DET as CRIT/DET ∝ INT so pretty low on the Totem Pole.

[Dwill]

He he yeah. Sorry wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that. It is really hard to make a point that SMN damage is effected by any fight mechanics.

You're right, that Spell Speed isn't completely worthless, because it does lower your cast/recast time. (even more so on Shadow Flare, Summon and Raise)

SPD ∝ CRIT/DET as CRIT/DET ∝ INT so pretty low on the Totem Pole.

No worries, it didn't sound rude or anything. It's just that in a thread about BiS and min-maxing, I'd rather discuss about how Spell Speed can be beneficial to us even though it's so terrible since we're obviously stuck with it than discredit it as useless.

I agree that it it is utterly low in term of priority.

[Judge_Xero]

No worries, it didn't sound rude or anything. It's just that in a thread about BiS and min-maxing, I'd rather discuss about how Spell Speed can be beneficial to us even though it's so terrible since we're obviously stuck with it than discredit it as useless.

I agree that it it is utterly low in term of priority.

Well doing a quick math check based on all the best gear that have spell speed and with 486 accuracy, any fights where you can use Ifrit, full spell speed (511 with food) might actually be good.
I.e. lower Crit, but more attacks from Ifrit (compared to Garuda) to activate Enhanced. So ideally you stay close to 2.24GCD 10% faster casts vs the 3% damage you lose from BiS.

Edited

[Judge_Xero]

Well doing a quick math check based on all the best gear that have spell speed and with 486 accuracy, any fights where you can use Ifrit, full spell speed (511 with food) might actually be good.
I.e. lower Crit, but more attacks from Ifrit to activate Enhanced. So ideally you stay close to 2.24GCD 10% faster casts vs the 3% damage you lose from BiS.

Casting Rotation comparing full Spell Speed BiS VS Normal BiS (Recommended using Ifrit Only)
Spell Speed Gear http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK7T
BiS http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

Edited to include Fester

A: 2.34s GCD
Aetherflow, Bio, Mia, B2, Fester, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin 2, Fester, Ruin, Bio, Ruin, Ruin2, Fester, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, SF (2.8s), B, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin 2, Aetherflow, Fester, Ruin, B, Mia, B2, Fester, SCSF (at this point it repeats itself)

VS

B: 2.43 GCD

Aetherflow, B, M, B2, Fester, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin2, Fester, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin 2, Fester, Ruin, Ruin, R2, SF, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin, Ruin, B, Aetherflow, Fester, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, Fester, SCSF (Rotation has not yet repeated itself, but it has reached the 70.66 Seconds that Rotation A repeats at)

Total Potency of Rotation A: 5240 (+1500 for Fester X 5) - Total 6740 Potency
Total Potency of Rotation B: 4860 (+1500 for Fester X 5) - Total 6360 Potency (6550 including 3% damage difference in stats)

So a difference of ~3%

[Ambiguous]

Well doing a quick math check based on all the best gear that have spell speed and with 486 accuracy, any fights where you can use Ifrit, full spell speed (511 with food) might actually be good.
I.e. lower Crit, but more attacks from Ifrit to activate Enhanced. So ideally you stay close to 2.24GCD 10% faster casts vs the 3% damage you lose from BiS.

I'm a bit confused why you believe increased Spell Speed will lead to Ifrit-Egi doing more attacks, considering this post states otherwise.

[Judge_Xero]

I'm a bit confused why you believe increased Spell Speed will lead to Ifrit-Egi doing more attacks, considering this post states otherwise.

Oops sorry. I should have put relative to using Garuda. I will change that post. (Ifrit has AA)

What's the link to your non Spell Speed set ? Also, I do not see any Fester in there which would change your rotation to a degree.

updated my post with this build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

Fester wouldn't really change the rotation between builds. I can add it in though, sure, cause it would change max potency on the Crit/Det build by ~45 Potency.

[Havenchild]

updated my post with this build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

This is almost my exact build.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9T

Largely, I noticed that the Crit difference past 540 seems to be diminishing in terms of value. The difference largely between are builds being 13 DET vs 14 Crit and a potential miss rate of less then 1% on T9 final phase. Usually that comes out with me missing maybe once or twice on Garuda if I position her improperly during that phase.

With my current build, the largest I've ever been clocked at was 431 DPS on T8 and 413 DPS on T9 atm. I'd be curious to hear from a humility point if your build is slightly better then mine overall if I was to make that swap. Perhaps amount of recorded crits over a full instance would be helpful as well.