SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[raelgun]

^^Obviously hasnt played a game that fully allows parsers to be used, specifically those with a real-time HUD. I completely agree with Tupsi and am glad SE has taken their stance against it. Parsers are not actually ever NEEDED. Never ONCE in my 11+ years of MMOs have I ever seen anyone use a parser to help someone, EVER. 100% of the time parsers come up, its some d-bag running his mouth, yelling, insulting, and ultimately excluding someone.

Has actually played these games at a high degree and noticed the level of abuse is rare, very rare, though the amount of whinging of players that want to be boosted, is really high.
What Ive seen most cases was people calling out afkers in combat, not low damage, not unskilled play, but afkers, are you one of those players by any chance ?

[ispano]

Has actually played these games at a high degree and noticed the level of abuse is rare, very rare, though the amount of whinging of players that want to be boosted, is really high.
What Ive seen most cases was people calling out afkers in combat, not low damage, not unskilled play, but afkers, are you one of those players by any chance ?

Yeah, I played one with addon support and the abuse was very minimal. I mean, yeah, it happens. But not as often as people like to think. Typically the people who WOULD abuse it try to avoid playing with those they would abuse in the first place.

[Gormogon]

The game doesn't inherently give you any way of telling how much damage your DoT effects do.

Gee a 35 damage tick on a 20 second timer going off ever 4 seconds. So hard to calculate.

Hmmm? I'm confused on how I overshadowed their work.

Never downed a raid boss pre guides have you?

[Tygg]

A game that allows modding to any degree has to be balanced around their use. Not allowing them eases the difficulty of development and works toward keeping the game stable. I understand that some people enjoy parsing and modifying, but the game does not become diminished without them.

[Appleh4x]

Gee a 35 damage tick on a 20 second timer going off ever 4 seconds. So hard to calculate.



Never downed a raid boss pre guides have you?

You just proved how bad of tools we have for finding DoT damage are available natively with this post. It would be 35 potency not damage. The damage is a formula based off potency, weapon damage, determination, crit chance, damage modifer buffs (raging strikes) etc. the game also doesn't even tell you how often the DoTs proc for that potency in the tooltip. You are way out of your element in this discussion, stick to running roulettes and please ignore the endgame world because your input is just making you seem really uneducated about this matter. They proc every 3 seconds btw, not 4

[Assirra]

^^Obviously hasnt played a game that fully allows parsers to be used, specifically those with a real-time HUD. I completely agree with Tupsi and am glad SE has taken their stance against it. Parsers are not actually ever NEEDED. Never ONCE in my 11+ years of MMOs have I ever seen anyone use a parser to help someone, EVER. 100% of the time parsers come up, its some d-bag running his mouth, yelling, insulting, and ultimately excluding someone.

Now ill admit that yes, its possible that some patient good samaritan help someone with it ... and im sure its happened before. My point is its obviously a rare sight and not worth the problems it otherwise causes. (An event requiring compassion, empathy, and humility towards a stranger is a rare sight? Shocking!) They are a small rarely use convenience for those who use them correctly and only serve to make things easier and faster for them to win. Everyone else uses them to point fingers, yell, and insult others.

Im all for an in-game practice dummy UI or maybe one that privately gives you your own information. Anything so long at it doesnt help the trolls.

Once was a in a top 100 guild in wow during tbc where it was fully allowed. You know, when it actually counted for a lot during some encounters (hai M'uru). People used it as a tool and then talk without each other how to get better and not to abuse people like you seem to love to claim.
Please do not assume stuff you clearly have no idea about just to support your own argument.

[Shougun]

Never downed a raid boss pre guides have you?

This still has nothing to do with what I said though... I said parsers make your dps / healing / tanking more optimal, and as a team - this means you play better which leads to SE having to set a higher bar for players or suffer the possibility of making content too easy.

Has little to do with pre-guides, or saying players didn't work hard.


If someone had to meet an arbitrary level of 3 work points to make it feel really hard, and then suddenly they start to play better- it would make sense SE would have to set the bar to 4. In this case the player is still working hard, but the content is harder for those who didn't parse. The point isn't to say parsers are lazy or something weird, just that parsing creates the need for parsing and that has repercussions to other players.

To further that last sentence, I'm not sure SE can stop the "knowing" of classes over time but it does effect SE's expectation.. the solution to this situation? Not sure, just saying it does have consequences. I'd prefer they toss a parser in the game, strictly ban third party apps and up their detection abilities. If someone starts to harass you over the parser thats ok because harassment is a GM-able offence lol.

[Parawill]

I actually think that is the only reason why there is no official parser because players will harass other players with it.

In a business standpoint, with the amount of complaints coming from parsers--albeit the fact that everyone seems to be blaming the tool rather than the actual person who is harassing people with gathered data (facts) and then speculating and blaming the entire group--it's better to not have an official parser as it seems the majority has a dislike on parsers and also that the game is apparently catered towards casual gamers.

So... Square Enix's stance on anti-parsers (which by the way, seems to be very lenient) is to benefit the business as a whole while reaping the side benefit of not having to deal with harassment issues for when it wasn't a pressing issue. That's how I see it anyways.

If only there wasn't such a negative stigma towards those who parse. Oh well.

[Appleh4x]

This still has nothing to do with what I said though... I said parsers make your dps / healing / tanking more optimal, and as a team - this means you play better which leads to SE having to set a higher bar for players or suffer the possibility of making content too easy.

Has little to do with pre-guides, or saying players didn't work hard.


If someone had to meet an arbitrary level of 3 work points to make it feel really hard, and then suddenly they start to play better- it would make sense SE would have to set the bar to 4. In this case the player is still working hard, but the content is harder for those who didn't parse. The point isn't to say parsers are lazy or something weird, just that parsing creates the need for parsing and that has repercussions to other players.

To further that last sentence, I'm not sure SE can stop the "knowing" of classes over time but it does effect SE's expectation.. the solution to this situation? Not sure, just saying it does have consequences. I'd prefer they toss a parser in the game, strictly ban third party apps and up their detection abilities. If someone starts to harass you over the parser thats ok because harassment is a GM-able offence lol.

I agree about needing an in gamer parse we can see (they have it for PvP, why not PvE?) I would quit playing the game though if it started scanning my pc or local memory a la Blizzard. I'm not a big fan of Big Brother.

[Shougun]

I agree about needing an in gamer parse we can see (they have it for PvP, why not PvE?) I would quit playing the game though if it started scanning my pc or local memory a la Blizzard. I'm not a big fan of Big Brother.

I respect the desire for privacy, but I hope they then plan to either have this forever be an issue or to add proper addon support (to give fair avenue). I guess I wouldn't mind but then I have had WoW and Steam on my computer so.. too late for me ! lol