SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Yurai]

This is a quote from the plugin author on Reddit: " it is real data from the game and not simulated. I did some testing in CT and it performed very well, even with 5+ ground aoes running."

So you're actually admitting to using it, here on the official forums, with your actual character? Not that I'm against parsers or anything, but if they want to, they could probably ban you for that. Might want to edit your post to be a bit more... Vague.

[Appleh4x]

That was in regards to Flaming Arrow and Shadow Flare ticks.

Which are DoTs. Regardless accurately simulating the damage is still giving you an accurate amount on how much they are doing within 2%~ vs not knowing at all in game

[Appleh4x]

So you're actually admitting to using it, here on the official forums, with your actual character? Not that I'm against parsers or anything, but if they want to, they could probably ban you for that. Might want to edit your post to be a bit more... Vague.

How is quoting a guy on reddit who made the parser admitting I use anything?

[Yurai]

How is quoting a guy on reddit admitting I use anything?

Never mind, I fail at reading.

[SongJoohee]

Which are DoTs. Regardless accurately simulating the damage is still giving you an accurate amount on how much they are doing within 2%~ vs not knowing at all in game

They are DoTs, but what the author had "fixed" in that reddit post was that previously Shadow Flare and Flaming Arrow were completly ignored because he didn't have a way of finding out which targets were being hit by them due to them being ground targetted AoE rather than normal DoTs. The targets being hit by Flaming/Shadow are not simulated, the amount of damage the DoT does, is.

[Appleh4x]

If you can kill a mob fast enough not to wipe, that means DPS is enough, whether some are lower then others isnt important is it not? in a group the collective is important not the individual. One stronger will compensate a weaker, if all are weak it is a fail, and all will know and if you make it well it means that COLLECTIVELY your DPS was enough for it..the one weaker will sooner or later find out if his or her dps is low or not. No need for parsers for it, right ?

The end of the story is...beyond all you say is forbidden, ify ou want to use it and are caught using it and banned dont complain...saying parsers are necessary ..sorry they are not.

Mei

Therein lies the problem though. In fights like T8 you have a limited amount of time to do a millionish damage to the raid boss so every DD needs to do at least a certain amount of DPS to not be killed by the enrage timer.

[MeiUshu]

so what ? you learn as you go, parsers in this case will just be a luxury to allow people that play to reach a certain point fastser without putting fowards a *progressive* effort which goes through an *apprenticeship* of sort of your own limits and your own improvements. Parsers will allow you to point fingers, get rid of so called not up to paar people (dont say is not the case it is), vs having to grow with your group. It isnt important the zillions of damage you have to do in what limited span of time, you will know if you succeed or fail, if you fail, wasnt enough if you succeed was enough, who is low or not isnt the problem. If you want truely to find out who is low and who is not go on a dummy which can be assimilated to a modern third party tool or parser (spread allover the place) and hit them with the combos and the like in turn and check there your respective dps not as accurate as a computer but still a good tool..old style fashion type....you have there a antique tool that works fine would I say. But of course, it requires cohesion and teamwork and time .... time that an T9 should require invested into without using *cheats of sort* (cant find another word to define it) ohh wait all have their schedule and hunt times, so nahh not going to happen right ?...so lets use the parser !

besides, how were you going about before parsers were so much easy to use ? no?

See my point?...they arent a necessity, they are not required, they are just there to be a nuisance to players that just want to enjoy the game and not be harrassed by immature childish and overall uneducated people that are so obnubilated by the game that all matters is to be THE one that reaches t he end and can then go around pouffing chests ....I think this community should really requestion itself.

Just me though

Mei

[Appleh4x]

so what ? you learn as you go, parsers in this case will just be a luxury to allow people that play to reach a certain point fastser without putting fowards a *progressive* effort which goes through an *apprenticeship* of sort of your own limits and your own improvements. Parsers will allow you to point fingers, get rid of so called not up to paar people (dont say is not the case it is), vs having to grow with your group. It isnt important the zillions of damage you have to do in what limited span of time, you will know if you succeed or fail, if you fail, wasnt enough if you succeed was enough, who is low or not isnt the problem. If you want truely to find out who is low and who is not go on a dummy which can be assimilated to a modern third party tool or parser (spread allover the place) and hit them with the combos and the like in turn and check there your respective dps not as accurate as a computer but still a good tool..old style fashion type....you have there a antique tool that works fine would I say. But of course, it requires cohesion and teamwork and time .... time that an T9 should require invested into without using *cheats of sort* (cant find another word to define it) ohh wait all have their schedule and hunt times, so nahh not going to happen right ?...so lets use the parser !

besides, how were you going about before parsers were so much easy to use ? no?

See my point?...they arent a necessity, they are not required, they are just there to be a nuisance to players that just want to enjoy the game and not be harrassed by immature childish and overall uneducated people that are so obnubilated by the game that all matters is to be THE one that reaches t he end and can then go around pouffing chests ....I think this community should really requestion itself.

Just me though

Mei

The issue is that you have a totally misguided view on parsers. My static group has never kicked anyone for low DPS, we work with each other to figure out how to maximize damage all around and beat the checks. The parser just gives data on potential problems and so that we players can correct them. It also gives you information like how many times you miss so you know if you need more accuracy, can tell you how often you mitigate for tanks, how much overhealing is done by healers, etc. It's a tool that is helpful in fine tuning your team to overcome poorly implemented fights. I'm not saying I use a parser, but I am saying that they benefit raid teams in a completely non dramatic way when used correctly and without malice (how they were intended.)

[Assirra]

So you're actually admitting to using it, here on the official forums, with your actual character? Not that I'm against parsers or anything, but if they want to, they could probably ban you for that. Might want to edit your post to be a bit more... Vague.

Reading comprehension fail going on here.
He posted a quote from a redit post, not that he used it himself.

[MeiUshu]

we will agree to disagree...simply because you only see the usefulness of the tool, which I said is not that useful as we have everything in-game to do that, even if not perfect, and you refuse to see the abuse of the tool which by far overcome the usefulness simply because that tool in the hands of game-addicts, end-content addicts,e-peen complex affected and the like, is not used as it should.....and why is forbidden on top of using info that shouldnt be of public use (so to speak). Aslo, who gives you the right to point fingers towards someone that may not want everyone to know he has that poor of a DPS or maybe he knows it without your intervention ? see? you arrogate yoruself a right that is not yours to have, unless asked for it. The use of parsers infringe the privacy rights that everybody is entitled to and when you need to go and dig info outside of what you see on teh screen you do infringe that limit....(i exagerate a little but yeah is not that far of I think)

I am glad for one that such use will be sanctioned...people that want to use it by all means do it but if you are caught well dont complain ...

Mei