Your thoughts on the direction of this game?

[Krr]

So you are saying the didn't make the fights easier, they only decreased the difficulty, gotcha.

You're doing a bad job of literacy right now if that's what you read.

I'm saying the complexity of the fights remained and that your nomenclature of "dumbing down" is inapplicable to the situation, because it was a numerical retuning to match what was in other content in the game that was challenging at its intended item level.

[Mcshiggs]

You're doing a bad job of literacy right now if that's what you read.

I'm saying the complexity of the fights remained and that your nomenclature of "dumbing down" is inapplicable to the situation, because it was a numerical retuning to match what was in other content in the game that was challenging at its intended item level.

When you reduce the numbers, you can trivialize the moves, I see now many tanks not stunning Giga blast, because it is easy to just heal through, not killing adds on the bird fight, because the boss dies faster, and the adds don't do as much damage so they can just be ignored now until the boss flies up. I know the mechanics are technically the same, but when you lower the damage of those attacks, many become less important to deal with the "proper" way so in my eyes that is dumbing them down, because even though they are still there, they can be ignored now.

[Krr]

When you reduce the numbers, you can trivialize the moves, I see now many tanks not stunning Giga blast, because it is easy to just heal through, not killing adds on the bird fight, because the boss dies faster, and the adds don't do as much damage so they can just be ignored now until the boss flies up. I know the mechanics are technically the same, but when you lower the damage of those attacks, many become less important to deal with the "proper" way so in my eyes that is dumbing them down, because even though they are still there, they can be ignored now.

The item level requirement for Pharos Sirius is something like 48. It drops item level 60? Gear. Players who ignore Giga Blast and Zu's adds are doing this because they are item level 80-90+ and vastly exceed what is needed for the dungeon.

Just because high item level players can ignore the mechanics doesn't mean the dungeon was designed or re-tuned with ignoring the mechanics in mind. It was meant for low item level players.

[WeiShan]

The issue is not the dungeon

The player interaction content and community are what makes FF MMO unique and memorable:

Player repairing,player shops,crafting, teleport ride with someone,world is large & dangerous so you go on an adventure with someone,party quests,grind parties & more


The Easter quest in 2.0 is a good example,I was lost & someone helped me lead the way.
in the final quest,it required a 4 man party,I shouted for a group,three people joined me,two were doing the same quest, one was just come to help.one guy got lost,we helped him, and he thanked us

It's the best moment i've had in ARR

ARR needs MORE content like this.


Yoshi-p should screw these"gimme this,gimme that,hand me this hand me that " players,
these people should go play single player games,with trainers,cheats

[Velthice]

Lol Again ONE dungeon does not determine the level of difficulty for the entire game. Also can you bring up another dungeon besides coil? You can't can you? If you like the difficulty of the game currently and its hard for you. Then say that but let's not act like this game is even close to challenging.

I believe the original argument was "dodging is a bad mechanic, and the game is easy because of it." So I threw out some examples of content in the game where dodging isn't so much important as execution of various mechanics are to you. You promptly ignored all that and filed it under more dodging, then you moved the goal posts anyway and are screeching about difficulty or something.

Anyway, I too think content I've only experienced by watching youtube videos is easy, and that I am qualified enough by watching said video to declare it so. Oh no wait, that's dumb.

This happens on the forums all the time, someone comes in complaining that the game is too easy when they haven't even touched 1/4 of it. I'm probably not wrong in thinking you've never cleared any of the extreme primals, or at the very least not mog nor levi, you probably haven't killed twin. In your tiny world of expert dungeons, CT and ST, you're right, all that content is mindlessly easy and boring.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Have a wonderful day.

[allecs]

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I didn't say dodging was bad, I said relying on it constantly for everything makes the game easy because dodging =/= hard. It doesn't and all you keep saying is "Coil, coil, coil" There's dodging in coil and lets just for arguments sake say there's no dodging in coil. That ONE dungeon does not make up for the ENTIRE game. Just because YOU think there's no dodge in coil doesn't mean that there's no dodge in the rest of the game lol. Which goes back to when I asked can you bring up something other than coil? Which you've proven time and time again you can't. One dungeon does not make the game. *shrugs* Also you threw out no examples by the way, you've just been screaming and vomiting about coil.....for the last few pages.

Lol Why are you trying to personally attack me now? How childish are you? You don't have to agree but really? I've cleared the extreme mode primals and I've done mog and levi. Also I don't watch videos, I go into everything blind because I feel videos are for baddies. Never played a mmo before where you must watch videos before entering dungeons. Anyone can just throw around blind ASSumptions when they feel they are losing or have nothing to say other than " I CIOL 50 BRUH" Lol I love how you know nothing about me, yet you know everything I've done in game. ._. GG

[Fendred]

Whether someone is complaining that dodge mechanics are overused or scripted fights are easy, they are stating they are bored with the combat system. SE is trying to make an end game revolve around a combat system that had all its potential exhausted by competing products from the last decade. The problems with it are obvious by this point, the chief being that it is bland and uninspiring. It has no depth of strategy to hold long term player interest. It's one thing to start out with the holy trinity, but to not broaden things out considerably into late game is unacceptable. It's like believing someone can sell a monthly subscription to people by creating a game based on "Hungry, Hungry Hippos" by disguising it as something like a tabletop RPG.

The only reason anyone on PC has a reason to stay is because Yoshida has stated that he is taking player feedback and developing stuff accordingly. If I didn't think Yoshida had the ability to turn things around or was uninterested in doing so, I'd be dropping my sub quite permanently.

[Dyvid]

Well I'm definitely not bored with the combat system. One of the things that keep me coming back. In FFXI I fell asleep, literally, playing dps or healing jobs so this is a step up for me. When you say adding strategy, can you explain what you mean exactly?

[Lambadelta]

The only reason anyone on PC has a reason to stay is because Yoshida has stated that he is taking player feedback and developing stuff accordingly.

Maybe I stay because I enjoy the combat system, and the content they designed around it? I am sure I am not the only PC player to think that. Please don't try and state your opinion as fact.

[Fendred]

Maybe I stay because I enjoy the combat system, and the content they designed around it? I am sure I am not the only PC player to think that. Please don't try and state your opinion as fact.

And sometimes people take things too literally. Of course we're talking written communication, so nuances do not get translated well. I didn't mean that literally no one would like the combat system, but I can see how that can be misinterpreted, so I'll continue to try to be more objective next time.