SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Gormogon]

The irony of this entire conversation is that a lot of the time you don't even need a parser to tell who is the dead weight DPS in a party and thus, those people are going to be singled out regardless of whether a parse fully confirms it or not.

Thing is a lot of those dead weights stand more of a chance of being taken more serious and getting the motivation to being good. Especially when a lot of the entry raid bosses or getting to there is enough of an eye opener to get players regardless of role to take their character and group more serious.

Once you introduce parsers that privileged is neglected on players that can go from uncaring and bad to good because they are judged and it stays because those numbers are gonna be consistently associated with them.

I've seen these outcomes happen to many times that it's pretty laughable.

You don't need parsers to learn a rotation you do that as you progress from levels 1-50 and continue on playing. Rotations should come normally to you and if they don't putting a little time and effort into organizing your bars and even seeking advice doesn't come as harsh and demotivating as seeking BiS to dish out some irrational X value from a 3rd party program. Parsers are good at weeding out not at helping.

Parsers aren't there to set thresholds for the possibility of clearing content. Players don't want the possibility to kill the boss they want the absolutely necessity to clear it get their loot and be done with it.

[ispano]

Oh, and maybe you missed the part where it's forbidden to use 3rd party program. Thus...cheating

No, just currently considered bannable. Doesn't make it cheating. Good to know you don't understand the difference.

So, let me ask you something else then. Will you still think parsing is cheating when a player makes an addon that does it once the API for addons is implemented?

The person that said the parser is to help better each other made me laugh, so when someone doesn't meet your standards in the party kicking is helping them hahaha.

So if someone in your group was holding the group back and refused to listen to any advice or anything, say a tank who doesn't use flash for aoe situations or something similar. You'd not kick them? Because the situation is basically the same, just that a tank's performance is far more transparent without a parser than a DD role.

[Appleh4x]

Thing is a lot of those dead weights stand more of a chance of being taken more serious and getting the motivation to being good. Especially when a lot of the entry raid bosses or getting to there is enough of an eye opener to get players regardless of role to take their character and group more serious.

Dude, you don't even do second coil, and haven't finished the first one. You have no idea why people even use parsers because you aren't even fighting the same fights. You really have no say in this argument since you lack the understanding of why people use them to begin with. You think leveling 1-50 is teaching people how to play their job 100% efficiently and you've never even been in a fight that requires people to be efficient.

[GilbertLapine]

I don't think Yoshi-P has ever played anything other than WoW and GW2 because he praises them both as the greatest mmos he has ever played, but if he played 11 then he'd realize 11 was better than both of them

He allegedly played Dark Age of Camelot, which was supposed to be the inspiration for front lines, but I don't see it.

[Gormogon]

Dude, you don't even do second coil, and haven't finished the first one.

First of all I finished T5 a long time ago. Second of all I'm done caring about coil and its drama.

I want to enjoy the game not be stressed about people whining about petty digital gear.

You have no idea why people even use parsers.

FFXIV ARR sure is my first MMO ever. Parsers were invented yesterday. You sure told me.

[Ihm]

I look forward to when native addon support comes out, around the end of the year iirc. Gonna upset a lot of people when parsers are legit and they can't get carried anymore :3

[Gormogon]

I look forward to when native addon support comes out, around the end of the year iirc. Gonna upset a lot of people when parsers are legit and they can't get carried anymore :3

Parsers will stop people from selling coil clears? My sides wont stop.

[Reynhart]

Will you still think parsing is cheating when a player makes an addon that does it once the API for addons is implemented?

"Parsing" is not cheating. 3rd party program is. Good to know you don't understand the difference.
And IF they implement it, Yoshi mentionned that it wouldn't be available in dungeons or raids specifically to avoid people from...hmmm..."helping" each other.

So if someone in your group was holding the group back and refused to listen to any advice or anything, say a tank who doesn't use flash for aoe situations or something similar.

You compare people that don't know how to tank well to people that don't have the stuff that suits you. Basically you'd take a moron with a relic over the best player using Garuda weapon.
Exactly how people would kick you for joining Titan HM without a relic even before lauching the Duty Finder back in the days.

And about your little semantic loophole about "cheating", here's a glimpse of the user agreement:
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

[Appleh4x]

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay."
Parsers are not cheats, bots, automation software, hacks or mods and they don't modify the game or gameplay. They work outside of the game to sort data relating to damage and present it in an easy to read format.

[Elven]

Dude, you don't even do second coil, and haven't finished the first one. You have no idea why people even use parsers because you aren't even fighting the same fights.

There is nothing in this game you couldn't do without a static group, you don't need a parser for that but it does help and identify problems within your team and improve it. But that's not where they're being used now is it? Seriously who uses a parser in a pug group where the very idea of pug is to form a party of all skill levels and go. If people are so butt hurt about not being able to use parsers Bloody keep a lid on it and say nothing at all about them and keep them off the social radar ffs and in your own private circles where they belong and why they were created for.