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    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    I like all the people who say "the game so too easy, all you have to do is dodge!"

    You're absolutely correct, dodging is easy, that's why titan in all it's forms are pretty easy. Except titan has never ever been the endgame, coil is and always has been, and if you go into coil expecting just to dodge stuff, the game is going to spike your face into the ground repeatedly.

    But hey, I guess so many people are bad at titan that they hold it as the gold standard of difficulty or something. v0v
    Yeah, coil is more like "learn how to dance over and over".

    T9 is probably the best, "do this, or wipe! Now perform x on x, or wipe! Now go right then left or wipe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruranto View Post
    Yeah, coil is more like "learn how to dance over and over".

    T9 is probably the best, "do this, or wipe! Now perform x on x, or wipe! Now go right then left or wipe!
    True, but this is every fight in every mmo ever. People seem to forget that, or choose to be willfully ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    True, but this is every fight in every mmo ever. People seem to forget that, or choose to be willfully ignorant.
    Only in WoW clones, some seem to ignore ARR is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roris View Post
    Only in WoW clones, some seem to ignore ARR is one of them.
    If only we could get something more about experiencing content than something concerned with building memorization challenges. I'd like to see world building being a part of the core experience like in FFXI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    True, but this is every fight in every mmo ever. People seem to forget that, or choose to be willfully ignorant.
    It isn't though, which is why some people are like "What? This is boring"
    I don't know what mmorpgs you've been playing but this is the only one I've played that had this much dodge. This is actually THE first mmo I've played with dodge as the core mechanic. Nor have I played any mmos where there's only ONE way to do almost everything.

    Also Titan isn't hard, what makes it "difficult" to complete is this game's .3 second lag and then people's isp's lag on top of that. I don't even understand why they made a game based off dodge but went with crappy servers with a .3 second delay, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by allecs View Post
    It isn't though, which is why some people are like "What? This is boring"
    I don't know what mmorpgs you've been playing but this is the only one I've played that had this much dodge. This is actually THE first mmo I've played with dodge as the core mechanic. Nor have I played any mmos where there's only ONE way to do almost everything.

    Also Titan isn't hard, what makes it "difficult" to complete is this game's .3 second lag and then people's isp's lag on top of that. I don't even understand why they made a game based off dodge but went with crappy servers with a .3 second delay, what?
    I can not think of any mmo outside of eve online where the answer to boss doing x is not to do y every time. Also you keep talking about dodging, which is only relevant to titan and a small footnote in absolutely everything else. Please tell me how dodging trivializes t7, tell me how dodging saved you in t8. Did titan scar you that much that you just can't see past it? Is he the end all be all of your world?

    Also lol at "one way to do everything." There have been multiple, equally effective ways to clear content since first coil.
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    Last edited by Velthice; 08-10-2014 at 10:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allecs View Post
    Also Titan isn't hard, what makes it "difficult" to complete is this game's .3 second lag and then people's isp's lag on top of that. I don't even understand why they made a game based off dodge but went with crappy servers with a .3 second delay, what?
    wasnt that updated to a 0.1 second check? also, this mmo handles everything server-side, not client-side like basically every other game. sure, there's some additional lag for us eu players, since we cant do much about the ping to canada, but I doubt "crappy servers" is a thing.

    (not saying anything about the _value_ of the dodge mechanics, just some factual correction.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnisFatuus View Post
    wasnt that updated to a 0.1 second check? also, this mmo handles everything server-side, not client-side like basically every other game. sure, there's some additional lag for us eu players, since we cant do much about the ping to canada, but I doubt "crappy servers" is a thing.

    (not saying anything about the _value_ of the dodge mechanics, just some factual correction.)
    Nope only SOME end game stuff was updated to .1 seconds they said they couldnt make the entire game like that because it would be too much on the servers.
    But still not clue why they would make a dodge based game and then have it server side instead of client side e.e

    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    I can not think of any mmo outside of eve online where the answer to boss doing x is not to do y every time. Also you keep talking about dodging, which is only relevant to titan and a small footnote in absolutely everything else. Please tell me how dodging trivializes t7, tell me how dodging saved you in t8. Did titan scar you that much that you just can't see past it? Is he the end all be all of your world?

    Also lol at "one way to do everything." There have been multiple, equally effective ways to clear content since first coil.
    What? Mostly everything is dodge, even with normal mobs there's "dodge" And titan isn't hard to me lol I passed it and run it for fun so lets try to throw up something that's actually hard and scary? Cause Titan isn't.
    You've played some sad mmos or either don't remember correctly cause I've played almost every one out and there's more than "Swap tanks at x buffs and dodge" involved.
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    Last edited by allecs; 08-10-2014 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allecs View Post
    What? Mostly everything is dodge, even with normal mobs there's "dodge" And titan isn't hard to me lol I passed it and run it for fun so lets try to throw up something that's actually hard and scary? Cause Titan isn't.
    You've played some sad mmos or either don't remember correctly cause I've played almost every one out and there's more than "Swap tanks at x buffs and dodge" involved.
    Snap son, you must have done Ultima bard mode too! All my arguments have fallen to pieces. oh wait, no they didn't, and the only thing you've demonstrated is that you have painfully limited experience with anything outside of the odd primal. Also please tell me about these mmos with amazing encounter design. be specific, I'll be checking your answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    Snap son, you must have done Ultima bard mode too! All my arguments have fallen to pieces. oh wait, no they didn't, and the only thing you've demonstrated is that you have painfully limited experience with anything outside of the odd primal. Also please tell me about these mmos with amazing encounter design. be specific, I'll be checking your answers.
    What are you talking about? I've been in coil and guess what!? MOAR DODGE lol Coil is not hard and ONE dungeon doesn't not make up for the ENTIRE game lol. Please stop.
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