SMN Novus, what did you do!

[Dwill]

I am not starving, and i done T8, but sure... i must be wrong, yes?
You may try an other rotation?

I'll say it plain and simple. If you do T8 and you don't get MP starved at one point where Ballad would be needed, you're doing it wrong.

[Yukiko]

@NintenPyjak64: It becomes way too off topic and i will not follow your "I am better than you path"...
Its on you if you consider my suggestion if not, well then nothing i can do here any more!
Do you have a stram from your combat? It would make analysing it much simpler, there are other factors that are playing a role and not only your rotation of skills.

Just a sidenote: you said to "force GCD" and that was something that let me think your rotation is wrong, your GCD should never "sleep" ... whatever - if it works for you, fine, i do no care!

@Dwill: I say it again: If a SMN gets problems with mana there is something wrong in the group! (spaming Ruin II may explains it too)

@SirSaber: Because to get gil its easier and much faster to do it otherwise, easily getting on Ragnarok 6M - you just need to be one of the first sellers

[Dwill]

@Dwill: I say it again: If a SMN gets problems with mana there is something wrong in the group! (spaming Ruin II may explains it too)

We're not talking about spamming, we're talking about weaving it between GCD. Huge difference.

[Alukah]

@SirSaber Perhaps other people do other things for gil (like crafting) SB is not the best money making method and it's not a reliable way to get IVs. If someone considers a bit of extra crit/det to be worth the effort of farming 5-~10+ millions (depending on server) then to each their own :P

@Yukiko Unless your bard is using ballad very often it's hard to believe you don't have MP issues in battles where you fight non-stop. I really recommend trying out using ruin 2 before using a skill that is not in your GCD, it's a DPS increase overall. If you use (for example) ruin > fester > ruin > enkindle you will be using at least three GCD times, but if you use replace ruin with ruin II you will be able to use those 'out of GCD' abilities BEFORE your GCD is up, you don't have to spam ruin II, just use it before these special skills.

Not asking you to believe me, but just please try it on a training dummy.

[Yukiko]

ruin > fester > ruin > enkindle

Yea i know, and thats why i said to try another rotation...
And sorry, thats Ruin II spam...

Yes training dummy is my friend, and if it works for you, i dont have problems with it, why starting a discussion?

[Alukah]

Yea i know, and thats why i said to try another rotation...
And sorry, thats Ruin II spam...

Yes training dummy is my friend, and if it works for you, i dont have problems with it, why starting a discussion?

It was an example, but if you're getting this defensive over a suggestion alright then.

[Yukiko]

It was an example, but if you're getting this defensive over a suggestion alright then.

Do you even know what you are talking?
Look at Date, i am repeating myself and its not getting defensive, i try to stop this off-tpoic bullshit...

Does it work for you?
Yes, then its fine!
No, then try it out!

You comming with an example of rotation is good, but we were talking about Ruin II spaming.
You say it is not spaming, i say it is, so we cleared that part of missunderstanding, next please?

I dont expect to stop this stupid discussion from Dwill but that you are that sort of player too... havnt expected.

Edit: Back then in 2.0 when we were on T5 struggling i switched from Ruin II rotation to Ruin rotation, but thats another story and its fun you are on that edge now

[Dwill]

Do you even know what you are talking?
Look at Date, i am repeating myself and its not getting defensive, i try to stop this off-tpoic bullshit...

Does it work for you?
Yes, then its fine!
No, then try it out!

You comming with an example of rotation is good, but we were talking about Ruin II spaming.
You say it is not spaming, i say it is, so we cleared that part of missunderstanding, next please?

I dont expect to stop this stupid discussion from Dwill but that you are that sort of player too... havnt expected.

Edit: Back then in 2.0 when we were on T5 struggling i switched from Ruin II rotation to Ruin rotation, but thats another story and its fun you are on that edge now

Spamming = Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II
Weaving = Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II > Aetherflow > Ruin II > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur

But hey, if you don't want to perform optimally, that's all up to you.