So resetting's against the rules now?

[Saccharin]

Do you mind clarifying this a bit, because we have people in our group reading it a few different ways.

1) That pulling 'early' before everyone can get there is considered 'grieving'. (which could mean every person who gets into the zone and says 'don't pull' even if you've already waited a reasonable time limit and there are more than enough people there to kill it)

2) But then it was pointed out that you said there is no 'proper time to wait', so it was also though that you actually meant: Pulling the mob before enough people were there to kill it. IE: 1 person pulls a mob that needs 20 people to kill it just to mess with people. (of course this does not include poor gatherers who just happen to be gathering and they accidentally pop it, since that it a catalyst for popping some of the hunts. Had this happen to me with Stinging Sophie XD)

Pulling a hunt at anytime is never griefing even if there's people waiting. There are no rules on who pulls and when.

3) That you meant that pulling the mob with the intent to grieve, period (IE: resetting the mob to grieve people be it intentional or unintentional) can get you reported, but not pulling with the intent to kill the mob because enough people are there but not everyone who wanted to be there.

I get the fact that if you reset is can be considered grieving, but can you clarify this.

There's a lot of 'lawyer talk' in the mod post but I think it pretty much says if you intentionally reset it then it's griefing. If you accidently reset it then it's not. A GM will investigate and decide if it was intentional or not and take appropriate action.

Just don't do it or talk about doing it and you'll be fine.

[Wulfyn]

Don't reset period. Either start killing it or don't touch it. Don't reset or try to if you roll upon someone killing a mark (usually b ranks). Simple as that. If people are not there its nice to try and wait, but there's usually some person with a itchy trigger finger. Doesn't matter if you found it someone will take it away.

[DeceptionsWrath]

I have reported 2 people for resetting and the last GM I spoke with said people can be suspended for such actions. I'll continue to report any who reset hunts that I have found and am currently fighting. These Linkshells that feel they can take any hunt they want and bully smaller hunting groups for their own gain are certainly in for a wakeup call.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Deceptions Wrath that mentality would never work on hyperion. I'm so glad that I'm part of a server where the majority of people atleast are not in that competative manor but trying to help as many as possible instead of thinking about just their own group. As long as your hate build on the mob with your group is high enough it doesnt matter really. Its sad that you would ruin other peoples gameplay if you would still get full credit. I'm not pointing fingers maybe the mentality is like that on Leviathan all I can say its too bad its like that where you are. I can't speak for all servers but im glad that over 20 groups have a mutual agreement when farming these hunts since we are all connected to eachothers linkshells one way or another.

[Ashkendor]

Its sad that you would ruin other peoples gameplay if you would still get full credit.

This has been rehashed several times already. A smaller party often cannot get full credit if the mob is reset and then zerged down within seconds (which often happens when you're talking about the lower rank marks). Finding a hunt mark and engaging it is normal and doesn't ruin anyone else's gameplay. Resetting a mob that someone else has found and chosen to engage absolutely does. You are basically stealing from them and citing the "greater good".

I honestly see B ranks reset more than any others, which is just plain silly.

[KaiKatzchen]

Pulling a hunt at anytime is never griefing even if there's people waiting. There are no rules on who pulls and when.

There's a lot of 'lawyer talk' in the mod post but I think it pretty much says if you intentionally reset it then it's griefing. If you accidently reset it then it's not. A GM will investigate and decide if it was intentional or not and take appropriate action.

Just don't do it or talk about doing it and you'll be fine.

I agree, much 'lawyer talk', which I think was why it was causing confusion. But if your explanation is correct then that is much clearer and I thank you for the help.

[Pinworms]

Resetting intentionally is against TOS if others are involved in trying to kill the mob based on grieving or harassment, even if your letting more people come. Time is of value to people and people sometimes don't and shouldn't wait on a stranger "coming" to get the kill. Resetting and causing people to not get credit is hugely against the ToS, and should be punished because it's all of the above and prob more.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But this isn't real life. This is a game with rules set by Square-Enix.

[Stormrider]

Balmung has a lot of hell chat for hunts. Can't speak for other servers. I spent a week mining wind shards in the Shroud. Sophie and Melt usally means 50 people at slow times to come with prime time to many to count. Alot of times of ten minutes don't pull don't pull more people coming more coming.

The entitlement of some LS is insane. I have seen quite a few posts of the rules for the server they are on. When did we all agree to these rules. Then the hate and bad mouthing in chat afterwards. It is Odin only with real rewards. I see alot of people just kill mobs and say nothing. If anyone asks for help on the down low I go as a tank. People need to start grabbing these mobs as tank. If you have down 5% there are very few tanks that are going to get it off you as long as you keep rotation up.

These rewards need to be spread out to disperse the crowd. Sadly its just Dark Devices on a server wide basis.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

People need to start grabbing these mobs as tank. If you have down 5% there are very few tanks that are going to get it off you as long as you keep rotation up.

This. As I'm an i110 Tank, as soon as the mob is pulled, I just bust CD's right off the hop as if it was a Trial / raid boss and cement myself as MT. I then know nobody will reset it on me. I'm Pro waiting, but I don't like it when a mob is reset AFTER waiting for it.