So resetting's against the rules now?

[JustPlainLucas]

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I've been giving this a lot of thought since I started reading this thread, and I'm actually inclined to pull early because if I don't, I run the risk of not getting full credit myself. Happened last night, we get to an A that maybe had 20 or so people around it. Then, almost all at once, 100-200 people come down and someone pulls it. All of a sudden, we're a second late attacking it, and the damn thing's 25% down already. Even going full on, we got 12 out of 20. I'd rather be called selfish and pull early than miss out on full credit even though I was there before everyone else. As for wanting someone else to do the same for me, I don't expect them to do it because I understand if they're scared about not getting their own credit. And well... selfish has a such a loose definition here, because who's more selfish? The person who was there first, or the person who wants to piggyback on someone else's find?

[LunarEmerald]

Should be no problem getting full credit in a full party. If you aren't, all you have to do is shout "invite" and you will get an invite almost instantly.

[Alukah]

Should be no problem getting full credit in a full party. If you aren't, all you have to do is shout "invite" and you will get an invite almost instantly.

Yeah, let's go back to repeat the same arguments over and over and over until people get tired and they become true.

To put it simple: there's a point where the elite will die so fast that it's nearly impossible to get full credit, specially if the zone is so crowded that half your party members can't see the elite.

[Krr]

Should be no problem getting full credit in a full party. If you aren't, all you have to do is shout "invite" and you will get an invite almost instantly.

Come to Excalibur on primetime and say that. God bless the more polite members of our megahunt community, but splitting an A-rank between something like 150 people and making sure all of them get credit requires borderline exploits of how the crediting system works. And it still doesn't always work for everyone.

I hope you like the Medica animation.

[ispano]

Should be no problem getting full credit in a full party. If you aren't, all you have to do is shout "invite" and you will get an invite almost instantly.

Again, false. People keep spouting this off, but there's a limit on how many can get full credit, be it a group or solo. With only a small group you won't hit that limit, but once that zerg hits, there WILL be groups/players who don't get full. This is always ignored.

[Ashkendor]

Should be no problem getting full credit in a full party. If you aren't, all you have to do is shout "invite" and you will get an invite almost instantly.

This might work on less populated servers, but doesn't really apply to Legacy servers. The population is just too high for that. Since the mobs have a finite number of hitpoints there are a finite number of people that are able to get full credit for them. This is even taking into account things like having a bunch of tanks (low damage, high enmity) and white mages (medica spam ftw).

[Enkrateia]

With the weekend coming up, I won't be responding further to any questions. I hope I was able to provide some insight and clarity; I also know there's a bit of frustrating opaqueness that is a part of my responses as well.

I will be having GMs monitor the thread if it remains active. I'm sure there are discussions left to be had, so please remember to keep it civil and sometimes just accept that the best course of action is to agree to disagree. This will prevent the GMs from having to lock or remove the thread, the latter of which would remove any responses I could give for anyone else looking through the forums or as a point of reference.

LGM Enkrateia

[HaelseMikiro]

everyone should Hunt as a tank. Full party credits for Flash spamming

[Alistaire]

With the weekend coming up, I won't be responding further to any questions. I hope I was able to provide some insight and clarity; I also know there's a bit of frustrating opaqueness that is a part of my responses as well.

I will be having GMs monitor the thread if it remains active. I'm sure there are discussions left to be had, so please remember to keep it civil and sometimes just accept that the best course of action is to agree to disagree. This will prevent the GMs from having to lock or remove the thread, the latter of which would remove any responses I could give for anyone else looking through the forums or as a point of reference.

LGM Enkrateia

This thread is now a reference point on various other sites for the official SE response. So it would be detrimental if the thread were removed. Worst case, just remove the offending posts and lock it, at least then we still have the official response on record.

[KaiKatzchen]

In general, any monster in the world that is able to be attacked can be attacked at any time. There is no user agreement section that details the proper time to wait before attacking a hunt mark, at this time. That being said, actions determined to be taken with the intent of disrupting the game play of others can be reported as a grief tactic. This disruption applies to the people actually at the hunt mark, and convoluting the "disruption" to apply because not enough people were present for you to get full credit misses the actual impact of the disruption. And because nothing is black and white, this does not mean that pulling the hunt mark will not result in a grief tactics violation. The circumstances that would cause it are rarer, but not impossible. A GM would make that determination after investigating a report on potential grief tactics.

As in several of my posts, as a player, I appreciate the players who can get people to wait a bit to give more people a chance to participate. However, unless the hunt mark is pulled in a manner that a GM finds to be intentionally disruptive, waiting is a social behavior, not an edict within the rules.

Do you mind clarifying this a bit, because we have people in our group reading it a few different ways.

1) That pulling 'early' before everyone can get there is considered 'grieving'. (which could mean every person who gets into the zone and says 'don't pull' even if you've already waited a reasonable time limit and there are more than enough people there to kill it)

2) But then it was pointed out that you said there is no 'proper time to wait', so it was also though that you actually meant: Pulling the mob before enough people were there to kill it. IE: 1 person pulls a mob that needs 20 people to kill it just to mess with people. (of course this does not include poor gatherers who just happen to be gathering and they accidentally pop it, since that it a catalyst for popping some of the hunts. Had this happen to me with Stinging Sophie XD)

3) That you meant that pulling the mob with the intent to grieve, period (IE: resetting the mob to grieve people be it intentional or unintentional) can get you reported, but not pulling with the intent to kill the mob because enough people are there but not everyone who wanted to be there.

I get the fact that if you reset is can be considered grieving, but can you clarify this.