So resetting's against the rules now?

[Ghishlain]

The idea of people helping eachother and waiting on a mob and even resetting it so more people can gain access to the fun and endgame stuff is far more reasonable and noble than this pull early its your mob go for it mentality thats promoted here.
I'm not saying you should wait 5 minutes on a mob but if you know people are running there is no need to be selfish give it another 30 seconds someone else might do the same for you another day.

I will start this by saying I find the amount of information spread and shared with the release of hunts to be astounding. I am happy to see so many players on so many servers co-operating to maximize the amount of seals they can get per hunt.

My point of concern stems from the fact that horde is almost... a policing presence on the servers. Someone pulls early before the set time frame we set? LYNCH HIM/HER (I know this is an extreme, bear with me for a moment).

Go back to Enkrateia's post for a moment.

In general, any monster in the world that is able to be attacked can be attacked at any time. There is no user agreement section that details the proper time to wait before attacking a hunt mark, at this time. That being said, actions determined to be taken with the intent of disrupting the game play of others can be reported as a grief tactic. This disruption applies to the people actually at the hunt mark, and convoluting the "disruption" to apply because not enough people were present for you to get full credit misses the actual impact of the disruption. And because nothing is black and white, this does not mean that pulling the hunt mark will not result in a grief tactics violation. The circumstances that would cause it are rarer, but not impossible. A GM would make that determination after investigating a report on potential grief tactics.

As in several of my posts, as a player, I appreciate the players who can get people to wait a bit to give more people a chance to participate. However, unless the hunt mark is pulled in a manner that a GM finds to be intentionally disruptive, waiting is a social behaviour, not an edict within the rules.

Also, ignore the fact that someone repeatedly doing this and bragging about is clearly griefing too, please.

"Pulling early" is not against the ToS in any way shape or form. Who are we, as the horde, to trample the rights of a few select individuals and ostracize them from the game for playing the game legitimately? We are not the enforcers of this game. We do not make the rules. Yet, you can easily ostracize someone and tarnish their reputation forever with the amount of people in these linkshells by making one simple mistake of "pulling early" by definition of this policing horde.

Is that truly fair to these select individuals?

[Enkrateia]

Also, ignore the fact that someone repeatedly doing this and bragging about is clearly griefing too, please.

That being said, actions determined to be taken with the intent of disrupting the game play of others can be reported as a grief tactic.

This section may apply to your concern.

"Pulling early" is not against the ToS in any way shape or form. Who are we, as the horde, to trample the rights of a few select individuals and ostracize them from the game for playing the game legitimately? We are not the enforcers of this game. We do not make the rules. Yet, you can easily ostracize someone and tarnish their reputation forever with the amount of people in these linkshells by making one simple mistake of "pulling early" by definition of this policing horde.

Is that truly fair to these select individuals?

MMO's are largely social and community based games. While any player can play the game any way they see fit within the rules of the user agreement, if their actions ostracize the rest of the community, they may find the social and community based aspects of the game more difficult to enjoy. GMs only get involved in the violations of the user agreement. We cannot make people want to play with someone they felt has slighted them in any manner.

[Ghishlain]

MMO's are largely social and community based games. While any player can play the game any way they see fit within the rules of the user agreement, if their actions ostracize the rest of the community, they may find the social and community based aspects of the game more difficult to enjoy. GMs only get involved in the violations of the user agreement. We cannot make people want to play with someone they felt has slighted them in any manner.

I can accept this, as I feel the same. If you are intentionally building yourself a negative reputation amongst the community, karma will come kicking, and it won't be pleasant, I can assure you.

Expanding on my previous post a bit more, I am concerned about the fact that someone feels resetting a monster is within their right because someone "early pulled". To me, this is a violation of the ToS but an individual or group may feel enpowered to do so anyway because it helps serve "the greater good". I do not feel it is fair for someone to feel they are above the ToS because of this, and I'd rather not see good people get warned / suspended / banned for doing what they feel is right because they have hundreds of people backing them. Two wrongs do not make a right.

... after this train of thought, I certainly don't envy the position the GMs are in thanks to hunts. This is a very tight rope to walk.