So resetting's against the rules now?

[MeiUshu]

trivialities arent worth it is all I can say, there are far more important things to bother with then going to report a babboon for stealing your banana that anyway nobody will ever do anything about it and that probably the time spent in reporting could have given you instead of one banana a whole bunch of them. It is also kind of hypocrital to ban someone for something that the game allows to do. People resetting arent abusing or cheating they are simply using a *tool* that programers (SE) allowed to be used (since is nto removed) right?.. so how can you say they should be banned??? is not forbidden is left there....see my point ? Until rules are CLEARLY stated and NOT as said, left to the *appreciation (subjective at it)* to the GM, appreciation that may differ from one GM to the other and also a GM may know the person that is involved be great friend and so never be bothered to take actions, you know friends and all that, until clarity and actions clearly taken visible at it and final, all these posts, including mine, are totally childish and useless...

I suggest people that dont agree with it not to do it, and find somethign else, and the rest do it their heart content.

I have that vision in my mind, two groups of players that reset each other's target constantly, imagine the lenght of the fight ? how dumb!!

Mei

[MeiUshu]

e.g my post about grey zones and interpretations ....rules arent clear for a reason...they allow all AND nothing.

Mei

[Altena]

The early pull argument goes back to the "do only what you would like done to you".

If you pull before the swarm get there, then don't expect others to wait for you when a hunt is called.
Even during peak time, it's not hard to get full credit in a party of WAR's and WHM's, without killing the mark in 2 seconds.
If you find yourself fighting for full credit even when the whole server of hunters is killing a mark, then it might be an idea to re-evaluate your hunt strategy.

Early pulls are a greedy & selfish way to do hunts. Our server has a fantastic way of dealing with this content, which includes a majority of the server that are hunting on a single teamspeak. Those that aren't, are usually in a party with someone who is.

Mark is found > broadcasted over the 8x LS's that are linked to the TS, and is also called over TS. A leader calls a reasonable pull time, waits for everyone to get there and pulls.
Repeated early pullers are blisted/banned from TS - effectively forcing them to fend for themselves. Sounds harsh but the system works most of the time.

[Ashkendor]

The main issue is that the GM giving us replies has no clue what the word "intent" means when used as an adjective. He contradicts himself on several posts because of this and it just makes everything he says confusing and misleading.
Intent (adj.) : resolved or determined to do (something).
another definition of intent: The thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose
example from Merriam-Webster: She thinks I'm trying to make things difficult for her, but that's not my intent.

The question of intent doesn't apply to *why* you reset the mob, but whether or not you deliberately reset it.

[Kyroc]

The question of intent doesn't apply to *why* you reset the mob, but whether or not you deliberately reset it.

This so much.

Was your intent to reset the mob. They don't care why you reset the mob, the fact is you reset a mob on purpose that someone else was fighting and as such, you disrupted their gameplay. That's the intent. Not your moral reasons behind why you did it. If they report you for disrupting their gameplay, expect an infraction.

[Ghishlain]

I thought the same thing based off the first few things the GM said, but that isn't the case. He basically replied to me and said that resetting at all is punishable if anyone is affected by it, regardless of actual intent. He worded it so cryptically though that I still might be wrong IDK

See the following:

The question of intent doesn't apply to *why* you reset the mob, but whether or not you deliberately reset it.

by intentionally resetting a hunt mark, you have chosen to interfere with the game play of other customers.

GMs do not care if you reset a mob in good faith to allow 30 more people to get credit, if your reset caused even one individual to lose their credit, you are grief-ing said individual and therefore can be investigated. Reset at your own peril.

[EDIT] Also this:

The intent to disrupt another customer's game play does not require that the attempt to disrupt another customer's game play was successful. This could still be reported and investigated.

[Appleh4x]

See the following:




GMs do not care if you reset a mob in good faith to allow 30 more people to get credit, if your reset caused even one individual to lose their credit, you are grief-ing said individual and therefore can be investigated. Reset at your own peril.

From his last post:

actions determined to be taken with the intent of disrupting the game play of others can be reported as a grief tactic...

He's implying that the intent needs to be to disrupt, not whether or not you reset it by mistake. He also implies that things that happen as side effects of resetting are intent, which goes against the meaning of the word.

[Kyroc]

From his last post:


He's implying that the intent needs to be to disrupt, not whether or not you reset it by mistake. He also implies that things that happen as side effects of resetting are intent, which goes against the meaning of the word.

Seriously man, you need to get past this. Here and on reddit. The intent is if you intended to reset the mob because that in itself would disrupt the gameplay of those already fighting it. The reason behind the reset is not the intent they care about. Why is this so hard for you to understand. So many people have tried to explain it to you both here and on reddit.

If you want to keep resetting marks, go for it.. But if you get an infraction against your account for it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Appleh4x]

Seriously man, you need to get past this. Here and on reddit. The intent is if you intended to reset the mob because that in itself would disrupt the gameplay of those already fighting it. The reason behind the reset is not the intent they care about. Why is this so hard for you to understand.

Probably because the fact that it is wrong and I like to stand up for things I believe are right. Saying that resetting a mob disrupts the gameplay de facto is an opinion, and one that is taking a side in the morality of resets when the whole point of the GM's post was to try and say that morality isn't a factor which is a contradiction. If I reset a hunt on my server and no one is "disrupted" how would that be causing a disruption? It wouldn't. By taking your stance you're assuming that 100% of the time a reset is made that someone is now not getting the credit they would have earned previously, which is not true, Cory.

[Ashkendor]

Saying that resetting a mob disrupts the gameplay de facto is an opinion,

In this case it's not an opinion, though. It's a GM telling us that resetting elite hunt marks falls into the category of disrupting other players' gameplay and as per the ToS can be punished accordingly.