Why are Healers allowed to be insanely overpowered?

[Gor]

Sadly, PvP combat in FFXIV is pretty uninspired. It boils down to one mass of players versus another mass of players. The only variation is the mob totems in the middle of the battlefield, which could have actually had some effect beyond giving you points, but no. They dropped the ball there too.

and you want to know WHY its "uninspired" compared to other games? because look at this forum and the type of players we are dealing with. a bunch of cry babies over petty and irrelevant arguments. players who cry over having to rank up for pvp. players who cry nerf nerf nerf and raise their pitchforks in the air when there's a class they can't beat. players who are ready to lynch a certain class when they don't even use their own skills properly to outsmart it. players who want the right to glamour pvp gear without having to earn the rank! majority of the crap here on these forums is just insanity. the FFXIV community is too carebear and wouldn't be able to handle a more robust, competitive pvp environment because it would be too hard and too coordinated for the majority and wouldn't play it. so SE gave us the type of pvp play that coincides with the mentality of its playerbase. basic, dumbed-downed, kiddie-pool pvp. i've played GW2 pvp and my opinion of it compared to FFXIV is most of these people wouldn't be able to handle it. GW2 has a strong pvp playerbase which is why the pvp in that game is better. there is no reason for SE to create more in-depth pvp if that's not the kind of paying subscribers they have and i doubt it will ever be that way. i mean look at what happened in Wolves Den. i've seen news healers try to do 30s, get smashed over and over again and then quit and when i ask them why they aren't playing healer anymore every single time their response was "its too hard". since the inception of pvp i can only count about 5 healers on my entire data center that actually stuck with the class. in FFXIV people care more about getting the next fluffy Moogle pet and blowing kisses and hugs. so comparing the playerbase of GW2 to FFXIV is like comparing apples and oranges.

players are crying about they want more competitive pvp ... yet bich and moan when there's more than 3 healers they claim they can't kill on the enemy team.
players are crying about this isn't "real" pvp ... yet cry rivers of blood when they get kited for days by a healer and demand to have them not be able to cast while Sprinting

i mean damn, ya'll can't have your cake and eat it too. either you want somewhat competitive pvp or you want SE to create a "hold your hand" pvp environment, because when players keep griping about the irrelevant aspects of pvp in this game, non-competitive, watered-down, splash your feet in the kiddie-pool pvp is exactly what SE is going to give you because they know you can't handle "real" pvp. they read these forums, feedbacks, suggestions, fan sites and other havens of where where their players reside to get into their players' heads so they know exactly what kind of content to provide for their subscribers. they aren't going to waste time and money creating content the majority can't handle nor want. i've worked for gaming companies before so i know all too well devs will only produce the kind of quality in a game that their playerbase demands, so the more ya'll keep demanding rudimentary, carebear game play, then rudimentary, carebear game play is exactly what Square Enix is going to give you.

[Gor]

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[abzoluut]

This again: "I complain to SE about PvP because I'm a dick and don't want to acknowledge my own shortcomings".

The fact that a group with two healers wins over a group with one healer has nothing to do with healers. That has to do with group composition. Thàt has to change, not the healers.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Hi OP,
Healer here with limited Frontlines experience. I roll as a WHM if I see we got two SCHs. Since we are a coordinated effort, your team will need to be more coordinated to stop us. Here are a few of my observations:

If you want to focus a target down, make sure a heal debuff like Miasma or Storm's Eye is applied. As a WHM, you've reduced my healing effectiveness as well as the fairy's. If I want to keep up, I have to use Divine Seal now or the target a Convalescence and a defensive buff. Though this won't stop the scholars and their lusty rations.

Bait people away from the healers, ideally in two directions. Pincer and pull around corners. It drives me nuts when someone I'm trying to heal is chasing you around a pillar/wall, because I can't target them without them running back or getting supra close to you. And when I see a second person's life dropping and I can't target them, I know they've chased someone too far or they're no longer with the party. If someone strays far enough from the pack, far enough that they can't get healed, Shadowbind, Heavy, Holmgang, stunlock, sleep, whatever you have to do to kill that person.

Pressure. You'll want at least one person doing AoEs. If we healers are close enough together, it'll interrupt our regular casts. But if you don't put pressure on all of us at the same time, any of us can and will get off our 2.5+ heals on people with all sorts of healing goodness. If I absolutely need to heal, I'll use Presence of Mind, probably Fluid Aura you away, since you can't attack faster than the GCD to interrupt me unless you're an archer.

Don't use your stuns at the beginning of the fight. Wait until we're 30% and try to keep us stunned and slept weaving between the two. This applies more to the scholars.

I hate caster limit breaks. Because lots of life bars will drop. This is your best chance to destroy our group. But if you slip for three seconds, the window is gone. Melee LB, meh due to two chances to insta-raise and/or get insta-raised.

If there's four of us, find another point, because we can't heal everyone/other alliances with AoE. Literally, persuade your team to go somewhere else. Stay away from the healer pack.

Hope this helps some.

Edit: I don't think I've ever been Feinted or Somersaulted. Might make it easier to kill a healer pushing the GCD back.

[Gor]

just to put things in perspective for the "SCHs are op" haters in here, here is a list of my combat log of me and Eos' heals while in Frontlines. i am geared in all ilvl 100 rank 40 pvp gear with no healing jewelry, all fending. you keep using that word "op", I do not think it means what you think it means. nothing op about these numbers at all and i was able to keep the WHM in my group up just fine when he was getting jumped. and you want this reduced to half? I hear that Coke that Rowena sells causes delusions when sniffed.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

@Gor, I think it's what happens when you go after a party that has two scholars. You see the HP drop to 20%, then in 2 seconds, it's full. If you manage to damage him/her again, the full recovery happens again. And again and again, and at some point, the assaulting party starts to die (many assault parties I see are whm/sch or one healer).

It creates the illusion that these two scholars are indestructible. And this often leads to one scholar getting a melee limit break in the face and the second getting his robe tossed over his head, bent over a pillar, and heavily violenced with lances, fists, and behemothian asslodes of fire magic before he can lustrate himself with vigoUr.

[Sarahx3]

Healers are op?

Op do you mean getting interrupted every 2 seconds while trying to cast a heal? Healers are the first ones that usually get focused, locked down, and die first. If you aren't locking down the healer first just like in ANY pvp situation then you probably need to start doing so.

[Skeet]

Healers are op?

Op do you mean getting interrupted every 2 seconds while trying to cast a heal? Healers are the first ones that usually get focused, locked down, and die first. If you aren't locking down the healer first just like in ANY pvp situation then you probably need to start doing so.

I hope you're not a healer, because it's fairly easy to stay alive as one if there's at least another healer there with you. And yes, casting spells without interruptions isn't generally a problem for me either as long as there's another healer with me. Oh, healing isn't even my best class in PvP either. So all you Healer PvP mains have no excuse to dying in a party of multiple healers other than your own lack of skills.

[Sarahx3]

I hope you're not a healer, because it's fairly easy to stay alive as one if there's at least another healer there with you. And yes, casting spells without interruptions isn't generally a problem for me either as long as there's another healer with me. Oh, healing isn't even my best class in PvP either. So all you Healer PvP mains have no excuse to dying in a party of multiple healers other than your own lack of skills.

I am actually a healer. Im a newer/ish player to the game. I usually play healers in all my PvP mmos. AND im usually the one that is last alive since all the other healers are usually dead ^_^. I didn't ask if healer was your best or worst class. I'm just saying in general that all healers get interrupted in casting a spell/heal.

[Skeet]

I am actually a healer. Im a newer/ish player to the game. I usually play healers in all my PvP mmos. AND im usually the one that is last alive since all the other healers are usually dead ^_^. I didn't ask if healer was your best or worst class. I'm just saying in general that all healers get interrupted in casting a spell/heal.

I know you didn't ask about it, I'm just saying that they aren't as "interrupted-prone" as you make them out to be.