Soldiery 110 weapons

[Numenor1379]

excuse me but which part of BURST ALPHA DD aka BLM needs DET aka SUSTAINED damage? which part of BURST = CRIT tat u didn't make it for ur novus? BLM novus is best geared like HA staff SPS CRIT!

You might want to go check the BLM threads on this page as there's been a LOT of discussion on this. The best stats for BLM dps are INT > DET > SSPD > CRIT, in that order. You don't want the Novus to be ACC/SSPD as that'd be the Laevateinn, and frankly really pointless if you're going for improved damage.

BLMs do have good burst ability, but it is in no way determined by our CRIT stat. Rather it's governed by having procs ready to be used quickly (along with Swiftcast/Convert/ethers/etc...). Sustained damage is a lot more useful to BLMs than a 0.1% increase in crit chances. The only reason the HA Staff is top dog is it's WD and INT stats. Putting SSPD and DET on the Novus is the best combination you can get (and if you want 251 PIE all the time, using the Novus stats for it isn't a bad idea either).

[YanderePrincess]

You might want to go check the BLM threads on this page as there's been a LOT of discussion on this. The best stats for BLM dps are INT > DET > SSPD > CRIT, in that order. You don't want the Novus to be ACC/SSPD as that'd be the Laevateinn, and frankly really pointless if you're going for improved damage.

Based on those threads, det becomes superior to the other stats once you already have "Enough" of those stats. That said, according to those threads, yes, SS+Det is the better combination for Stardust Rod Novus. It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lol

Essentially, we already get so much crit easily from all our other gear, far more easily than we get det, to the point that crit becomes devalued so that since -can- choose what's on Novus, we can use that as an opportunity to grab some much needed Det.

[Uninstall]

I am pretty sure it's SS+Crit on HA is still technically better according to those threads.

[ChaozK]

Considering they are i110 weapons they are all good, so get the one for the class you want to play the most.
When it comes to secondary stats the SMN weapon is the most desirable with det+crit. The DRG one is rather bad because it has speed as its big secondary stat, which is the least desirable stat for DRG.
BLM is decent but if you dont need accuracy it might be a bad choice too.

[Numenor1379]

I am pretty sure it's SS+Crit on HA is still technically better according to those threads.

Only because the HA Staff has more WD and INT than the i110 weapons do. If people were given the chance to swap the CRIT stat for DET people would do it in a second.

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Only because the HA Staff has more WD and INT than the i110 weapons do. If people were given the chance to swap the CRIT stat for DET people would do it in a second.

No they wouldn't.

[Numenor1379]

No they wouldn't.

Then go find current posts saying that CRIT + SSPD is better than DET + SSPD and prove it. As I'm pretty sure you're out of date on your info.

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Then go find current posts saying that CRIT + SSPD is better than DET + SSPD and prove it. As I'm pretty sure you're out of date on your info.

I've never seen any source with determination being weighted above 0.27 for BLM and crit has never been below 0.205. Not sure what kind of math you're doing that results in determination being better than crit for BLM's High Allagan weapon.

[YanderePrincess]

I've never seen any source with determination being weighted above 0.27 for BLM and crit has never been below 0.205. Not sure what kind of math you're doing that results in determination being better than crit for BLM's High Allagan weapon.

I don't know why you're pulling those numbers out specifically, but regarding DET+SS being superior to Crit + SS.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2303733

Since, according to that post, 31 det + 44 SS is superior to 44 Crit + 31 SS, it's pretty clear that 32 Det + 46 SS is superior to 32 Crit + 46 SS. Thus, it would be preferable for HA to have Det in place of Crit, if we had a choice in the matter (which we don't).

And I know you saw the recent stat weights Puro posted, you posted on that same page of the thread. While no, he didn't weight them above .27 and below .205, det was a good .04 above crit in weight, which means if you were able to choose between 32 Det and 32 Crit with no other differences, the 32 Det would win.

[ChaozK]

That only applies to novus though, since normally a piece of gear would give you less points in determination than it would give you in speed or crit. To put it in numbers, you get 0.419 more accuracy/crit/speed, than you get determination, making crit actually more valuable than det. Its more a special trait of novus that it weights det the same as the other stats, each costing one meld.

Assuming we wouldnt talk about novus, an 110 weapon would have 31 det/31 SS or 44 crit/31 SS, in which case the crit weapon would be slightly superior.