Possible: Directly going from i55 to i75 tool

[RiceisNice]

Right, and it helps tremendously that you more-so if you have melded accessories. Just having the Artisan weapon for one class will make it much easier to HQ stuff to get the demimateria. I mean chances are, you're gonna stick with culinarian's method of obtaining artisans anyway for the demimateria aspect, you'd probably be able to reach crafting requirements for the others via melding accessories. It's not going to change either way on obtaining a supra if you're getting your butt handed by materia-rates.

Another thing to note is that you can get Fieldcraft III demimateria from 2 star crafts, including furnitur, if that is a more econimical/time saving way of going about it.

[Moonfyah]

I'm a bit confused in regards to some of the comments. I never once suggested "buying" mastercraft materia or fieldcraft demimateria III. If anything, I would suggest selling them at the moment because the prices are so high while cost of material is low (but the cost of time is high). I was able to pick up stacks of HQ tomatoes recently for around ~1K per tomato. Which put the cost of each pair of spectacles at around ~15K. Which turned into field craft III material that I've been selling for 822K each. 15K Gil for 800K+ Gil profit? Yes please. Also spirits of salt is another good option, requires 2x HQ volcanic rock salt but no additional synths (100% HQ cannot be guaranteed cuz vitriol cannot be HQed).

Also you do not need artisan tool to 100% HQ spicy tomato relish with no rng. The rotation I suggested only requires 352 craft/358 control/354 CP (with food) and HQ dzmael tomato/Hq dark vinegar (a joke to HQ). These stats are easily reachable with an i55 tool.

Do you want to craft the augmentations that are selling for 1mil Gil on my server? Don't have an artisan tool? Then yes, you can do that right after dinging with an i55 tool if you follow my suggested melding (cheap forbidden melding btw/CP does not matter for these crafts).

You can also craft the augmented chest pieces (3 mil on my server) and primal weapons that people are using for glamour (NQ is selling just as well as HQ, even though it's at a lower price of ~100-200k Gil). Also HQing these items is not even 100% guaranteed even if you start with all HQ mats/artisan tool/max stats because they start with such low quality and require an additional progress step.

I never once voiced skipping the i70 tool. I just wanted to let people know that it's possible. Do you have the Gil saved up from the day of vanyas? Return recently to the game? Then go ahead, buy 3x mastercraft demimateria and 10x fieldcraft material to enjoy your brand new i75 tool without sitting through a boring 150 times macro synths per artisan tool that are not as good as supra tools.

The original post was simply meant to disprove misinformation that was spread when 2.3 hit, that you ABSOLUTELY needed your artisan tool to get the supra tool. I just wanted to prove that you do not. And that you can enjoy in the profits of augmentations/3star furniture/and augmented gear with only a plebeian i55 tool.

Only concrete thing to take from the original post is that you do NOT need the i70 tool to get the i75 tool. And you can craft all the things a veteran crafter that has an artisan/supra tool, outside of reliable HQ 3-star gear with only an i55 tool. This is cold hard information. Your opinion and what you do with this information is entirely up to you.

[Moonfyah]

Actually that is false, buy buying mastercraft/field3 you are only pushing the HQ work on to other people, its no different than buying hq items to do leve turns and not doing the work yourself atm

How is this false? I don't understand how the 5x NQ items turn in for the supra tool has anything to do with other crafters? Square Enix this patch decided to move away from the RNG of HQ turn in for both DOH/DOL this patch for the supra tools.

The glamour from the new augmented gear/weapon is exactly the same whether it's NQ or HQ. Nothing in this guide requires the "HQ" work of other crafters.

You can craft spicy tomato relish 100% hq with no rng with an i55 tool. Unless you need an artisan level cook to make you HQ dark vinegar (LOLOL), then nothing in this guide pertains to other crafters.

If you want to participate in the mass flooded 3 star HQ gear market due to myth raining from the sky via hunts, then yes. Getting your artisan tool ASAP will help you get into this market as fast as possible. Augmentations, augmented gear, primal weapons, and 3 star furniture can all be done with an i55 tool though.

[Moonfyah]

It is cool that this is possible and I don't mean to be discouraging, but I feel like someone needs to step in here and point out that this is not a practical goal for most people. If you just hit level fifty and got your blue tools from the class quests and you're trying to figure out where to go next, just get your artisan's tools. They are relatively easy to get and good enough to craft anything in the game. The supra tools are just slightly better, totally unnecessary, and vastly more difficulty to acquire.

How much more difficulty? Well, I've personally broken down about 60 pairs of Artisan's Spectacles, from which I have gotten five Mastercraft Demimateria and three Fieldcraft III Demimateria. That's roughly twelve artisan's tools' worth of turn-ins, and I am still less than halfway to the demimateria required for a single supra tool.

If each item takes you around a minute to make (and it may take you longer, especially if you are working with the ilvl 55 tool), you can make the turn-ins for one of your artisan's tools in about fifty minutes. With an optimistic 25% demimateria drop rate (twice what I have gotten so far) in just the right ratio of mastercraft:fieldcraft demimateria (which you won't get), you're looking at about nine hours of crafting per supra tool. More realistically, you're probably going to spend between twelve and twenty hours pressing your crafting macro over and over to get the demimateria for one supra tool, and that's not accounting for the stacks and stacks of HQ materials you'll need to HQ 419-durability items with the ilvl 55 class tool or the ~1200 shards/hour you're going to go through.

If you have the gil to buy your demimateria on the market board, great. Or maybe you're just that particular brand of fanatically driven for whom something like this is a fun challenge. For the overwhelming majority of players though, particularly those who are just getting to this content for the first time, skipping the artisan's tool while working toward the supra like going without a car for twenty years because you're saving up for a Porsche.

Good points all around. But you do not need anything more than an i55 tool/HQ dzmael tomato/HQ dark vinegar to 100% HQ the spicy tomato relish with the rotation I suggested. Unless there's a new magical rotation that can get all 5257 quality for the spicy tomato relish, starting with zero quality; there's no reason to not use those HQ mats. I highly doubt a crafter with max melds on gear and a supra tool can 100% HQ spicy tomato relish with 0 RNG, using NQ mats.

This person has acquired all the supra tools and said it took them between 120-140 spectacles. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rafting_tools/

Considering I can craft 15x artisan spectacle in the time of 1 GSM artisan tool (150 tomato relish vs 100x rose gold nugget and 50x rose gold gear). Starting earlier on the supra process will be a better allocation of my time, personally. 50 minutes is only applicable to culinary & alchemy. Everything else requires the initial 100x HQ 1-star materials (& weaver even needs an additional 50x HQ silver ingots) before you can reliably HQ the artisan tool turn ins.

Overall though, supra > artisan. The stats are simply better. The extra control will help in the HQ RNG tastic 3 stars, when hasty touches fail to land or you get no trick procs and the extra craftsmanship will most likely be required in the future when 4 stars come out.

If you want to get into the flooded HQ 3 star gear market ASAP, then yes. Get your artisan tool first. If you're okay with only crafting augmentations, NQ augmented glamour gear, NQ augmented primal weapons, and 3 star furniture ASAP. Then I believe my guide will assist you in making that Gil ASAP.

[Kakure]

But you do not need anything more than an i55 tool/HQ dzmael tomato/HQ dark vinegar to 100% HQ the spicy tomato relish with the rotation I suggested… 50 minutes is only applicable to culinary & alchemy. Everything else requires the initial 100x HQ 1-star materials (& weaver even needs an additional 50x HQ silver ingots) before you can reliably HQ the artisan tool turn ins.

You're right on both counts. I was thinking of my own experience using a Hasty Touch rotation and whatever was on hand, which was mostly NQ. None of them took much money or preparation, but it took me longer to craft each item than it does now (and I got some NQs along the way).

This person has acquired all the supra tools and said it took them between 120-140 spectacles. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rafting_tools/

It says 120~140 pairs at a rate approaching 20%, with the remainder (approximately 75-80% of the total) coming from weapon parts and clocks at a rate of about 1/3 after recursive desynthesis. The price tag for that is going to vary depending on your server and the day, but it's going to be an eight-figure number.

As someone who has the artisan's tools and has dabbled in desynthesis enough to feel out the system, I feel pretty confident saying that there is a vast difference between the artisan's tool requirements and the supra tool requirements. We're talking like an order of magnitude here, in terms of both time and resources.

[Zumi]

Before I waste a bunch of time doing this what is the drop rate on the Artisan Spectacles desynth for the master craft materia?

[LineageRazor]

Another thing to note is that you can get Fieldcraft III demimateria from 2 star crafts, including furnitur, if that is a more econimical/time saving way of going about it.

I'd actually suggest that 3 star crafts might be a better source, given how pricy the philo mats are now. Which is easier to get: 500 Myth for a 3-star mat, or 22500 GC points for a 2-star mat? I guess it depends on whether you prefer grinding FATEs or running dungeons...

Before I waste a bunch of time doing this what is the drop rate on the Artisan Spectacles desynth for the master craft materia?

It is RNG so your results will vary. I'm just getting into it; my desynthing level is about 85 now so was a little less when I started: I desynthed 20 pairs and got three Fieldcraft III, and one Mastercraft. I don't know if these results are typical, high, or low, but at the very least it's an example of what could happen once you get into it.

[Elasia]

mastercraft is around 16-18%, field 3 is around 22-24%, this is as of the implementation patch, percentages like these usually get messed with by the devs each patch due to economy tinkering

Even with relish you will still pay well into the 7 figures to get a toolset, considering the time it takes to get them unless you got 8 figures sitting around you don't care about then they aren't worth it... just wait till the next patch when their cost drops and save your time/cash

[Kalandros]

I've done it, with spicy tomato relish mostly, but also 3 star furniture desynth to get my BSM and GSM all the way up~

81 Fieldcraft IIIs so far, all 8 craft supras acquired! (going to Glamour them all with luminaries~ almost got all luminaries as well)

Just 29 FC IIIs to go for the gather ones x:

Managed to sell all my extra Mastercrafts too

[PROBOUND]

I've done it, with spicy tomato relish mostly, but also 3 star furniture desynth to get my BSM and GSM all the way up~

81 Fieldcraft IIIs so far, all 8 craft supras acquired! (going to Glamour them all with luminaries~ almost got all luminaries as well)

Just 29 FC IIIs to go for the gather ones x:

Managed to sell all my extra Mastercrafts too

Yikes thats alot of Relish! Congrats! 81 F3s must have taken alot of Summoning Bells how many do you think you went through in total? Must have invested a substantial amount. I'm sitting on 23 F3s so far with 7 masters. Probably went through at least 60 Artisan Specs and 50 summoning bells so far.