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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakure View Post
    It is cool that this is possible and I don't mean to be discouraging, but I feel like someone needs to step in here and point out that this is not a practical goal for most people. If you just hit level fifty and got your blue tools from the class quests and you're trying to figure out where to go next, just get your artisan's tools. They are relatively easy to get and good enough to craft anything in the game. The supra tools are just slightly better, totally unnecessary, and vastly more difficulty to acquire.

    How much more difficulty? Well, I've personally broken down about 60 pairs of Artisan's Spectacles, from which I have gotten five Mastercraft Demimateria and three Fieldcraft III Demimateria. That's roughly twelve artisan's tools' worth of turn-ins, and I am still less than halfway to the demimateria required for a single supra tool.

    If each item takes you around a minute to make (and it may take you longer, especially if you are working with the ilvl 55 tool), you can make the turn-ins for one of your artisan's tools in about fifty minutes. With an optimistic 25% demimateria drop rate (twice what I have gotten so far) in just the right ratio of mastercraft:fieldcraft demimateria (which you won't get), you're looking at about nine hours of crafting per supra tool. More realistically, you're probably going to spend between twelve and twenty hours pressing your crafting macro over and over to get the demimateria for one supra tool, and that's not accounting for the stacks and stacks of HQ materials you'll need to HQ 419-durability items with the ilvl 55 class tool or the ~1200 shards/hour you're going to go through.

    If you have the gil to buy your demimateria on the market board, great. Or maybe you're just that particular brand of fanatically driven for whom something like this is a fun challenge. For the overwhelming majority of players though, particularly those who are just getting to this content for the first time, skipping the artisan's tool while working toward the supra like going without a car for twenty years because you're saving up for a Porsche.
    Good points all around. But you do not need anything more than an i55 tool/HQ dzmael tomato/HQ dark vinegar to 100% HQ the spicy tomato relish with the rotation I suggested. Unless there's a new magical rotation that can get all 5257 quality for the spicy tomato relish, starting with zero quality; there's no reason to not use those HQ mats. I highly doubt a crafter with max melds on gear and a supra tool can 100% HQ spicy tomato relish with 0 RNG, using NQ mats.

    This person has acquired all the supra tools and said it took them between 120-140 spectacles. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rafting_tools/

    Considering I can craft 15x artisan spectacle in the time of 1 GSM artisan tool (150 tomato relish vs 100x rose gold nugget and 50x rose gold gear). Starting earlier on the supra process will be a better allocation of my time, personally. 50 minutes is only applicable to culinary & alchemy. Everything else requires the initial 100x HQ 1-star materials (& weaver even needs an additional 50x HQ silver ingots) before you can reliably HQ the artisan tool turn ins.

    Overall though, supra > artisan. The stats are simply better. The extra control will help in the HQ RNG tastic 3 stars, when hasty touches fail to land or you get no trick procs and the extra craftsmanship will most likely be required in the future when 4 stars come out.

    If you want to get into the flooded HQ 3 star gear market ASAP, then yes. Get your artisan tool first. If you're okay with only crafting augmentations, NQ augmented glamour gear, NQ augmented primal weapons, and 3 star furniture ASAP. Then I believe my guide will assist you in making that Gil ASAP.
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    Last edited by Moonfyah; 07-31-2014 at 11:15 PM.

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