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  1. #41
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    Chocolate_Rain's Avatar
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    Chocolate Dynamite
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    Lamia
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
    Absence of a reward is not a penalty. As a raider you are in absolutely no worse a position than you were pre 2.3.

    Also, if your friends will pay however much a month to do something they literally *hate* they should probably 're-examine why they are playing this game. It's not healthy and it's not something SE is forcing them to do, it's their own competitiveness
    Absence of a reward is, in fact, a penalty given relative standing. If another option for gearing is out there, no matter how much you hate it, if the rewards are good enough, you're gonna do it. That mentality has been around since i've started mmo's(eq1) and the hamster wheel will continue to turn. The developers then have to make sure that option is balanced with the rest of the content. The ball was dropped big time on this.

    As for your second point, I absolutely agree. But the raider mentality is get stronger by any means necessary. In fact, I'm examining if this game is worth my time as is.
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  2. #42
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    YukiTerumi's Avatar
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    Khadan Ura
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Because of hunts I've seen more t6 and t7 groups in pf thanks hunts!
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  3. #43
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    EternityInBlack's Avatar
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    Skara Brae
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    Mateus
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    The SE attitude seems to be that they're getting ready for an impending drop in interest with the feature. But as it stands right now, while it's a good way to gain myth and soldiery tomes, the rewards are so great that dungeons are pretty much all but forgotten. DPS queues are even worse these days, now that I'm leveling my ACN. And while I appreciate that they've addressed the issue of hunts by increasing the HP of each mob, I don't think they're addressing its effects on other game systems as well.
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  4. #44
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    Pterois Volitans
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    just let me finish the last 5 books for my curtana and then you can nerf the rewards lol
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    "Try not. Do or do not. There is no try."

  5. #45
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    Zakalwe's Avatar
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    Lapsed Pacifist
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    Adamantoise
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    Botanist Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Rain View Post
    I think what upsets me the most about it is the fact that devs are completely ignoring it. I think there would be at least a small amount of closure if a rep said "working as intended" or not. The fact that they're not saying anything about it says to me that either they don't care or that they're afraid of the backlash either response would give. Maybe the culture supports that way in Japan, but I personally consider it tactless at best, cowardly at worst.
    What do you mean, not doing anything? They fixed the biggest problem. No more Nauls 2 weeks in a row!
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  6. #46
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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
    And I love that, for the first time since 1.x closed there's an event where I'm not paired with randoms from another server I'll never see again, forced to join PFs under threatof being kicked if I get hit by an AOE or doing an event once per week only in a clique with 7 other people seperated from the rest of my FC because they aren't in the same static and I can't help them out.
    This so much. Queues are as fast (or if you're rdps, as slow) as ever. I still see plenty of PFs. But as a tip to those having trouble, setup your PF search criteria and then check "show recruitment messages" or whatever. You'll get a periodic message, something like "Of the 16 parties recruiting, 3 match your search criteria".

    Won't help with the difficulties of finding statics, though, so I hope they keep adding things like hunts (ideally more dangerous though...), and more open world stuff since I just like open world stuff.
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  7. #47
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    I'm sure SE realises how unbalanced hunts are [..] The best they can do is not repeat the same mistake with 2.4. It's ridiculous [..]
    It's very sad. I guess some people that aren't happy with it would have to shut down their account for a while en masse for them to actually do something.

    Somes are saving Sands and Soldiery, Atmas and myth for 2.4 already. (I got my Zenith covered for now, working on the rest )

    now with the refer a friend Circlet Bonus and FC actions, 3% xp from food, etc..

    A Rogue/Ninja will take [insert short time here] to get from lvl 1 to Ilvl108.. Unless you start fresh on a new character with a new account.
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  8. #48
    Player braneri1's Avatar
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    Sylvia Courtois
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    Brynhildr
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    Hunts haven't really affected things much from what I've seen. DF queues are still about the same, PF content being run is still pretty balanced (no more than 2 or 3 hunt groups at a time usually, with several other things up at the same time, mostly FATE groups, ex trials, coil up to t6, people looking for statics or advertising their fc or crafting services, alexandrite and treasure maps, even a few leveling dungeons and hm trials once in a while), teleport loading times are the same. I've been seeing a ton of new people running around since patch 2.3 and their numbers don't seem to be dying down so things must still be good enough for them to not quit.

    It really comes down to people's overall attitude regarding the hunts. Realize that it's only a game, treat others respectfully even if they don't play exactly to your liking, and don't create needless stupid drama. People on my server are pretty lighthearted and reasonable about it from what I've seen, even in shout.
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  9. #49
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    Aegis Elisus
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    Balmung
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    Armorer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Rain View Post
    Absence of a reward is, in fact, a penalty given relative standing.

    But that's not the same thing at all. A penalty is something that has an active negative impact on you. Relative standing is just your insecurities. If there are two players in a party, A and B. And player C gives A some gear, he hasn't penalised B. This is especially true given that all PVE content in this game is cooperative. Other peoplegetting gear easier is going to make your parties easier.

    Again, failing to reward is not punishment.
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  10. #50
    Player Taruranto's Avatar
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    Archs Crysta
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Because of Hunts---

    I no longer have to do the same dungeons every day
    I made friends
    I talk to ppl in LS and shout
    I no longer have to suffer queue
    I see people walking through the world
    I'm no longer restricted by lockouts
    I get to play with people of my servers

    Hunts are love. Hunts are life.
    Hunts are the only content that truly matters.
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