Level 50 Little buds

[monochromicorn]

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thats my point exactly. just because i dont do it the way everyone else wants me to, i must have been carried so much.

thats the wqy ive always learned. when i was a kid, every game i played, my brother would walk me through every boss fight, gave me some tips about the moves they use, and he would watch me try and fight, and tell me either what i was doing wrong, or some ways i can imporove what i was already doing. i never watched videos to learn, i actually did it

[Moirear]

Yes, yes I know, learn on your own time, don't waste mine! Personally I feel that attitude is destroying MMOs, it's not the "theme park casual carnival" everyone says it is. It is deep game, with various different ways to beat the exact same boss, but too many people want to use the proven way that worked before, too many people are afraid to break from the mold to try anything new, and way too many people are content being TOLD what to do, because they are not there to play and have fun, they are there for loot, loot, loot, loot, loot! Nothing else matters and it kills what could be a very unique community.

I agree with you but as you progress even further in the endgame, you'll come to learn that the mechanics get more and more ridiculous. The Hard Mode dungeons, for instance, are quite fun to learn blindly. Garuda Extreme Mode, for an opposite example, is absolutely no fun to learn without explanations of certain mechanics, it's a huge chore and its mechanics unnecessarily opaque.

This is not to say that you're wrong... I'm actually of one mind with you on this matter. It's something I consider a shortcoming of this game. There's a lot of artificially difficult content where it's not about how well you play your job or gear your character for it, but just learning and memorizing outlandish mechanics and dealing with those to complete it, and increasingly more situations where your entire party wipes if just someone makes a minor mistake amidst the execution of these scripted parts.

So maybe as you progress and see how much people have to grind this content for whatever reasons, you'll also come to understand why so many people want others to have rough understanding of certain mechanics because it a) takes a long while to explain and b) is increasingly frustrating to continuously fail just because of one person wanting to learn it blindly.

This is also no defense of the annoying healer you had there in Ultima HM. That guy was clearly being a jerk. :[

[monochromicorn]

You're talking about one trial you did in this part of the reply, right? I'm talking about all raids and trials.

But the problem is you do receive more help than "just a raise". In the time you're dead, res'd(and needing to regen mana) the other healer has to compensate for you. Some fights have more than one one-hit mechanic.

if i still have my shroud of saints, which i do in most cases, then i dont have to wait for my mp and can immediately start healing. by the time its out, i would normally have half mp. not a lot, but that is also while still healing. i get a res with enough mp for a cure 2 and a res. if i can do enough heals, which, even with the first weakness, i can heal for almost 1k with a cure 1, then am i really being carried?not to mention free cure, which is a free cure2 that you can sometimes get for using cure 1

[Elim]

if i still have my shroud of saints, which i do in most cases, then i dont have to wait for my mp and can immediately start healing. by the time its out, i would normally have half mp. not a lot, but that is also while still healing. i get a res with enough mp for a cure 2 and a res. if i can do enough heals, which, even with the first weakness, i can heal for almost 1k with a cure 1, then am i really being carried?not to mention free cure, which is a free cure2 that you can sometimes get for using cure 1

Yes, you're still being carried even if you can do some heals when you get up. That does not negate the time you spend dead or resing. I didn't even bother mentioning weakness because I didn't think I needed to. One way or another, the other healer has to work harder with your playstyle(unless they have the same type). I don't see how that's debatable.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

I don't really care or ask if anyone is new to an instance. If there are mistakes, who cares - if we wipe, who cares. I just roll with it and do the best I can and let the person carry their job the best they can. You're doing more damage by barking orders during each turn rather than concentrate and let the other person concentrate.

If they ask for advise, I'll help. If they don't, I assume they're looking it up themselves on the spot. After doing DF 5,000,000 times, the best approach is reactive: wait until someone asks and DO NOT try to call out the mechanics mid-fight - EVER...just use your awesome reflex skills to pull a save or miracle if shit goes wrong and go with whatever happens.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I remember when they showed up to exp..

i would always smile to myself a little bit when you were in the 30's (forget the zone name, but you fought bats inside a ruined castle) and someone would roll up with mostly lizard gear. The funny part was, you really just had to deal with it. Were you going to wait another hour for a better tank? probably not, so you just made it work. those days are gone for the most part.

However, I don't think its as horrible in XIV as people here make it seem. On goblin, no one really cares about that stuff; there are some elite FCs ( mmhmm) but they all stick to themselves. PF usually works just fine. DF on the other hand, is not where you go (at east for trials) under geared and underprepared. The dungeons can be cleared with some difficulty at the minimum ilvl requirement.

[Lord_Zlatan]

also, to the OP:

this is also your first class. You will realize that (if you level another class) things become much easier to learn from a different perspective when you have previous experience. I was a paladin for about 9 months, and thought it would be waaaaay difficult to relearn all the fights on DRG, but just having been there before as a PLD provided me with enough experience to get through.

as an aside, I still haven't cleared Ultima HM ; ;

[PrimeEvilPanda]

DF for JP servers has a far better success rate than NA/EU servers. PF is used for practice on our end and DF is executed with the assumption of a full clear - three wipes and the JP do an Abandon Duty - they have never kicked anyone if we wipe (minus people who disconnect and don't come back after a certain period of time).

It varies from server to server, but I wholeheartedly believe the general attitude for any DF party SHOULD be to allow your party members to do their job. If they're not doing "said" job, allow them to ask questions, without any repercussions. Allow everyone to vote Abandon Duty without playing the name-game.

But what can you do right? Human nature..

[k4dz]

DF for JP servers has a far better success rate than NA/EU servers. PF is used for practice on our end and DF is executed with the assumption of a full clear - three wipes and the JP do an Abandon Duty - they have never kicked anyone if we wipe (minus people who disconnect and don't come back after a certain period of time).

It varies from server to server, but I wholeheartedly believe the general attitude for any DF party SHOULD be to allow your party members to do their job. If they're not doing "said" job, allow them to ask questions, without any repercussions. Allow everyone to vote Abandon Duty without playing the name-game.

But what can you do right? Human nature..

I concur, good sir.

[Ooshima]

It varies from server to server, but I wholeheartedly believe the general attitude for any DF party SHOULD be to allow your party members to do their job. If they're not doing "said" job, allow them to ask questions, without any repercussions. Allow everyone to vote Abandon Duty without playing the name-game.

Problem #1

When you ask "is anyone new or unsure about the mechanics?" at the start of the fight so that you could explain a little, 90% of those who are, doesn't say anything!