Summoner Summons

[Hurlstone]

I really like the FFXVI SMN job, it is my favorite job currently in the game. Specifically, I like how it adds a DoT output and gives the actual player some responsibility in their spells, rather then just sending out the summon to do it.

That being said, I think there is a lot they can do when it comes to the egi. I am less concerned by their appearance, and more the fact we are forced to use just one to be honest. I say give the player Contagion and let the pet be either a situational thing or just a personal choice. In regards to the egi designs, they perfect but I do not mind them. I quite like them in a way, although it would be nice to see the larger ones involved somehow. I like the idea of the SMN LB being a larger Primal, perhaps reflecting the one you have summoned? Enkindle could be used in a similar way too.

One of the few negative aspects of this game being a FF title, is the fact that people have certain ideas when it comes to aspects such as summons, so I am unsurprised to see some dislike there current state. As I said, I like the summoner class as it is and I would hate for it to be diminished by trying to copy, say, the FFXI version. It should be a unique job in its own rights, not a flat imitation.

[LineageRazor]

I like the idea of the SMN LB being a larger Primal, perhaps reflecting the one you have summoned? Enkindle could be used in a similar way too.

We definitely do not want the SMN limit break to be dependent on the egi in any way. Egis do die, and swiftcast may not always be available - it'd suck if this rendered the SMN unable to perform their Limit Break in a pinch situation (and if your egi is dead and swiftcast is down, that's a pretty good sign you're in a pinch situation).

[Tupsi]

I really like the FFXVI SMN job, it is my favorite job currently in the game. Specifically, I like how it adds a DoT output and gives the actual player some responsibility in their spells, rather then just sending out the summon to do it.

So basically, you don't like summoner, you like the rebranded WoW class Summoner in the series has the ability to use spells (White or Black magic) but was never THE focus of the job, which is why people largely have issues with egi aside the appearance, they're fairly useless in comparison. Garuda has the biggest use since it further enhances your DoTs.

would hate for it to be diminished by trying to copy, say, the FFXI version.

Then it would be an actual Summoner. Hell my Garuda in XI has a million times more use than the one in XIV, if we're to compare. The main argument against it is: "Summon then release" which hasn't been true since 2004-2005.

[Hurlstone]

So basically, you don't like summoner, you like the rebranded WoW class Summoner in the series has the ability to use spells (White or Black magic) but was never THE focus of the job, which is why people largely have issues with egi aside the appearance, they're fairly useless in comparison. Garuda has the biggest use since it further enhances your DoTs.



Then it would be an actual Summoner. Hell my Garuda in XI has a million times more use than the one in XIV, if we're to compare. The main argument against it is: "Summon then release" which hasn't been true since 2004-2005.

That is the thing though, you seem to be comparing it only to the XI job, rather then judging it by its own merits. Personally speaking, Jobs in this game should not have to compete with those of past FF titles, they should be judged on their own merits and strengths as if they are brand new creations. As I said before, I think there is a lot more they can do with the egi so I agree there role can be heightened, but for the most part I am very happy with the core aspects of the job.

Each to their own, though.

We definitely do not want the SMN limit break to be dependent on the egi in any way. Egis do die, and swiftcast may not always be available - it'd suck if this rendered the SMN unable to perform their Limit Break in a pinch situation (and if your egi is dead and swiftcast is down, that's a pretty good sign you're in a pinch situation).

Hmm, good point. Perhaps it could randomized? Any Primal you have unlocked, for example.

[Tupsi]

That is the thing though, you seem to be comparing it only to the XI job, rather then judging it by its own merits. Personally speaking, Jobs in this game should not have to compete with those of past FF titles, they should be judged on their own merits and strengths as if they are brand new creations. As I said before, I think there is a lot more they can do with the egi so I agree there role can be heightened, but for the most part I am very happy with the core aspects of the job.

Each to their own, though.

Actually, my comparison is to all of them - Because in XI it was pretty much an 'evolution' of the previous FF Summoners, which it was more of the successor to FFX's because X was the first time you had direct control of a summon in the series. This is why I said even as the summoner itself they could use white/black magic too, so that part of the warlock summoner is correct in XIV's iteration, but it was never the true focus perse.

[Hurlstone]

Actually, my comparison is to all of them - Because in XI it was pretty much an 'evolution' of the previous FF Summoners, which it was more of the successor to FFX's because X was the first time you had direct control of a summon in the series. This is why I said even as the summoner itself they could use white/black magic too, so that part of the warlock summoner is correct in XIV's iteration, but it was never the true focus perse.

Even so, you are still comparing it to past iterations of the job trope. In my own opinion, new titles should not live under the shadow of past incarnations, but enhance or add there own twist to it. I think the addition and deeper incorporation of DoT over White/Black magic spells is a nice twist and gets the player more involved with the combat rather the just letting the egi do most of the work (Although as I said, I do think they need to be incorporated more into our rotation).

You and others may think this just makes it a cheap rip-off and nothing much else, if so then then each to their own. I hope one day the job becomes something everyone here can enjoy. I myself just happen to really enjoying playing as this warlock rip-off as it is for now!

[Razard]

Summoner in the series has the ability to use spells (White or Black magic) but was never THE focus of the job,

Why must you turn my office into a house of lies?

Rydia was more effective as a Black Mage

Eiko and Garnet spent most of their time casting White Magic

If you had to rely on your Summons in FFX you where doing something SERIOUSLY wrong, to the point where the game punished you for relying on them from the midway point onwards.

I love how people are advocating for less pandering to the lowest common denominator then immediately say Summoners NEED Massive Gojira-sized God Monsters with Michael Bay Explosions for attacks (Before you get on my case I am exaggerating for comic effect. Unless it's Akiza who seriously wants this)