Summoner Summons

[Mature]

SMN LB should be a random pick of an actual summon. Rather than bringing the meteor get the actual summon as a LB. That would be cool. I don't think is impossible I think is question of complexity that's all.

[kidvideo]

I love playing Summoner, but the -egis depress me.

To paraphrase a popular saying: "Please look forward to" Shiva-egi.

[myahele]

I would love them to atleast show briefly to do their aoe when there 3 bars for the lb.

[Tupsi]

I would love them to atleast show briefly to do their aoe when there 3 bars for the lb.

The "system" for this is in place too - Ultima in Minstrel's Ballad has this effect, so they could easily implement it into normal gameplay, but it would take a sizable update to the current content to allow it though. All in all, let's not forget the main reason yoshida went with egis was because he felt the way it worked in XI it "cheapened" their power to see numerous Ifrit/garuda/etc running around, so instead we get to see hundreds of Garuda Egis everywhere.

[Shougun]

The "system" for this is in place too - Ultima in Minstrel's Ballad has this effect, so they could easily implement it into normal gameplay, but it would take a sizable update to the current content to allow it though. All in all, let's not forget the main reason yoshida went with egis was because he felt the way it worked in XI it "cheapened" their power to see numerous Ifrit/garuda/etc running around, so instead we get to see hundreds of Garuda Egis everywhere.

So basically instead of have the summons cheapened, have the summoners themselves cheapened. got it XD. I remember getting summons in FFXI was awesome to first summon it and just stare in aww of your "sliver" of the primal (even there after, they looked very cool). Unlocked all three in FFXIV, couldn't decide which one I wanted to face palm to harder lol.

Moving back to limit break stuff though, if we ever get a utility summon- like a major CC/Debuffer, would the LB using that primal be different? Would give SMN a unique dual LB choice, may upset other jobs though. Still think it would be very cute to see the party scamper off screen when using the LB like in single player FF games.

[Malamasala]

The "system" for this is in place too - Ultima in Minstrel's Ballad has this effect, so they could easily implement it into normal gameplay, but it would take a sizable update to the current content to allow it though. All in all, let's not forget the main reason yoshida went with egis was because he felt the way it worked in XI it "cheapened" their power to see numerous Ifrit/garuda/etc running around, so instead we get to see hundreds of Garuda Egis everywhere.

I suspect what he actually said/meant was that it looked "cheap" when these avatars got defeated by run of the mill monsters. Most Decent Challenge monsters would kill your avatar quite fast, because they were ridiculously weak unless you used something like Predator Claws.

But I don't think these new egi in FFXIV are near as bad. You can have Titan tank Fates without much issue, so he could surely look like the real Titan and show how he can stand his ground against big "HNM" out in the world. There is no longer a cheapness feel around them, so there is no longer any need to change their looks.

As a fan of spirits I kind of like their idea to combine them, but the cost of losing the familiar design of the Primals is too much. It is like being handed a wonderful Porsche, except it is remodeled into a truck because "The designer didn't like the weak look of normal cars and wanted a really tough look like a truck".

[Jamez82]

There's a Summoner Job?

Wait...

Paladin..
Warrior..
Bard..
White Mage..
Scholar..
Warlock..
Black Mage..
Monk..
Dragoon..

Am I missing something?

[melflomil]

Maybe with the expansion, Square can put in a quest to Summon a stronger version of the primal that can be controlled by the warriors of light.

Egi is a fraction of the essence of a true Primal like 5%. With the expansion maybe wil would be able to summon up 30% which will maybe change their appearance.

[myahele]

Or maybe have the lb for smn be a giant version of the egi (think lv 50 smn quest boss) that does a large aoe (with or with status debuffs). It can be called "grand summoning"

[Yamimarik]

The other main reason why so-called 'traditional' summons simply cannot work in FFXIV is because of the game's lore...

Well actually SE shot themselves in the foot with the so-called "lore" of theirs in re-guards to Summoners and Primals.

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

According to this page of SMN lore, SMN's have the power to summon Primals AND transmute their essence as well.

OT:
I really hope we do get full primal summons as a way of our own personal Limit Break that would finally breath life into what Summoner is supposed to be.

And when most people ask for better primal looking summons they aren't usually asking for full bodied Primals the size of the actual Primals it's more just about the detail, which I agree with and would agree with in a smaller increase of size too. Just my opinion. It's all about them aesthetics.