Summoner Summons

[Tupsi]

I would love them to atleast show briefly to do their aoe when there 3 bars for the lb.

The "system" for this is in place too - Ultima in Minstrel's Ballad has this effect, so they could easily implement it into normal gameplay, but it would take a sizable update to the current content to allow it though. All in all, let's not forget the main reason yoshida went with egis was because he felt the way it worked in XI it "cheapened" their power to see numerous Ifrit/garuda/etc running around, so instead we get to see hundreds of Garuda Egis everywhere.

[Jamez82]

There's a Summoner Job?

Wait...

Paladin..
Warrior..
Bard..
White Mage..
Scholar..
Warlock..
Black Mage..
Monk..
Dragoon..

Am I missing something?

[Shougun]

The "system" for this is in place too - Ultima in Minstrel's Ballad has this effect, so they could easily implement it into normal gameplay, but it would take a sizable update to the current content to allow it though. All in all, let's not forget the main reason yoshida went with egis was because he felt the way it worked in XI it "cheapened" their power to see numerous Ifrit/garuda/etc running around, so instead we get to see hundreds of Garuda Egis everywhere.

So basically instead of have the summons cheapened, have the summoners themselves cheapened. got it XD. I remember getting summons in FFXI was awesome to first summon it and just stare in aww of your "sliver" of the primal (even there after, they looked very cool). Unlocked all three in FFXIV, couldn't decide which one I wanted to face palm to harder lol.

Moving back to limit break stuff though, if we ever get a utility summon- like a major CC/Debuffer, would the LB using that primal be different? Would give SMN a unique dual LB choice, may upset other jobs though. Still think it would be very cute to see the party scamper off screen when using the LB like in single player FF games.

[Hurlstone]

So basically, you don't like summoner, you like the rebranded WoW class Summoner in the series has the ability to use spells (White or Black magic) but was never THE focus of the job, which is why people largely have issues with egi aside the appearance, they're fairly useless in comparison. Garuda has the biggest use since it further enhances your DoTs.



Then it would be an actual Summoner. Hell my Garuda in XI has a million times more use than the one in XIV, if we're to compare. The main argument against it is: "Summon then release" which hasn't been true since 2004-2005.

That is the thing though, you seem to be comparing it only to the XI job, rather then judging it by its own merits. Personally speaking, Jobs in this game should not have to compete with those of past FF titles, they should be judged on their own merits and strengths as if they are brand new creations. As I said before, I think there is a lot more they can do with the egi so I agree there role can be heightened, but for the most part I am very happy with the core aspects of the job.

Each to their own, though.

We definitely do not want the SMN limit break to be dependent on the egi in any way. Egis do die, and swiftcast may not always be available - it'd suck if this rendered the SMN unable to perform their Limit Break in a pinch situation (and if your egi is dead and swiftcast is down, that's a pretty good sign you're in a pinch situation).

Hmm, good point. Perhaps it could randomized? Any Primal you have unlocked, for example.

[Tupsi]

That is the thing though, you seem to be comparing it only to the XI job, rather then judging it by its own merits. Personally speaking, Jobs in this game should not have to compete with those of past FF titles, they should be judged on their own merits and strengths as if they are brand new creations. As I said before, I think there is a lot more they can do with the egi so I agree there role can be heightened, but for the most part I am very happy with the core aspects of the job.

Each to their own, though.

Actually, my comparison is to all of them - Because in XI it was pretty much an 'evolution' of the previous FF Summoners, which it was more of the successor to FFX's because X was the first time you had direct control of a summon in the series. This is why I said even as the summoner itself they could use white/black magic too, so that part of the warlock summoner is correct in XIV's iteration, but it was never the true focus perse.

[melflomil]

Maybe with the expansion, Square can put in a quest to Summon a stronger version of the primal that can be controlled by the warriors of light.

Egi is a fraction of the essence of a true Primal like 5%. With the expansion maybe wil would be able to summon up 30% which will maybe change their appearance.

[Razard]

Summoner in the series has the ability to use spells (White or Black magic) but was never THE focus of the job,

Why must you turn my office into a house of lies?

Rydia was more effective as a Black Mage

Eiko and Garnet spent most of their time casting White Magic

If you had to rely on your Summons in FFX you where doing something SERIOUSLY wrong, to the point where the game punished you for relying on them from the midway point onwards.

I love how people are advocating for less pandering to the lowest common denominator then immediately say Summoners NEED Massive Gojira-sized God Monsters with Michael Bay Explosions for attacks (Before you get on my case I am exaggerating for comic effect. Unless it's Akiza who seriously wants this)

[myahele]

Or maybe have the lb for smn be a giant version of the egi (think lv 50 smn quest boss) that does a large aoe (with or with status debuffs). It can be called "grand summoning"

[Hurlstone]

Actually, my comparison is to all of them - Because in XI it was pretty much an 'evolution' of the previous FF Summoners, which it was more of the successor to FFX's because X was the first time you had direct control of a summon in the series. This is why I said even as the summoner itself they could use white/black magic too, so that part of the warlock summoner is correct in XIV's iteration, but it was never the true focus perse.

Even so, you are still comparing it to past iterations of the job trope. In my own opinion, new titles should not live under the shadow of past incarnations, but enhance or add there own twist to it. I think the addition and deeper incorporation of DoT over White/Black magic spells is a nice twist and gets the player more involved with the combat rather the just letting the egi do most of the work (Although as I said, I do think they need to be incorporated more into our rotation).

You and others may think this just makes it a cheap rip-off and nothing much else, if so then then each to their own. I hope one day the job becomes something everyone here can enjoy. I myself just happen to really enjoying playing as this warlock rip-off as it is for now!

[Yamimarik]

The other main reason why so-called 'traditional' summons simply cannot work in FFXIV is because of the game's lore...

Well actually SE shot themselves in the foot with the so-called "lore" of theirs in re-guards to Summoners and Primals.

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

According to this page of SMN lore, SMN's have the power to summon Primals AND transmute their essence as well.

OT:
I really hope we do get full primal summons as a way of our own personal Limit Break that would finally breath life into what Summoner is supposed to be.

And when most people ask for better primal looking summons they aren't usually asking for full bodied Primals the size of the actual Primals it's more just about the detail, which I agree with and would agree with in a smaller increase of size too. Just my opinion. It's all about them aesthetics.