I hope this clears up some of the Rogue>Ninja rage

[Staris]

Translation issues most likely

[Erudain]

This thread again?
There was a huge discussion a couple months ago, and it didn't get us anywhere.

Basically the only thing you could gather was: ppl asking for a THF job won't be happy with anything less than a THF job.
- If SE had named the base class "thief" instead of rogue = they would be mad because "OMG THF has to be a job, it cannot be a base class" (even when in a lot of FF games NIN is a THF advanced job)
- If rogue has all the traditional THF skills, traits, plays like a THF, acts like a THF, feels like a THF = they would still be mad because at lv30 they become NIN even when, except ARC, every other job retains the playstyle of its base class....GLA->PLD still is a tank and plays like GLA, CON ->WHM is still a healer and plays like a CON....but here comes NIN, which could still have all the traditional skills, traits, playstyle of a THF....but alas the nameplate says NIN so better rage against it.

And thus since we never could reach an understanding (not even an agreement) I gave up, and just let them rage because there is no THF, maybe they are happy raging 24/7?....

[Zarzak]

Rogues focus on poisons.
Ninjas focus on mudras with Rogue's base poisons.
Thieves would need their own gimmick to play differently from Ninja. Unless of course Ninja plays so differently from Rogue that Thief could then just play like Rogue.

Do we play the same game?

Thaum and BLM... difference? Couple utilities. rotation? Besides throwing out flare some.. EXACTLY THE SAME

PuG and MNK.... difference? Couple utilities. rotation? Add in dragon kick.


Anyone who thinks because its now called ninja your going to play totally different from thief is an idiot. You will get 5 skills. half of which will be utilities.

Rogue = Thief

Rogue = Ninja

Ninja = Thief

I'm pretty sure the 5 Ninja skills are just going to be some Ninjutsu skills and some dps skills. The other 17 skills are gonna be Thief stuff.

^ Glad someone gets it.

And the eventual fate of being a ninja.

By Ninja you mean renamed Rogue with + 5 abilities? So Ninja is a thief with 5 additional abilities?

BUT IN FFXI YOU PLAYED THIEF AND SUBBED ANOTHER JOB AND GOT LIKE 20 ABILITIES SO YOU WEREN'T REALLY PLAYING A THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH THE REVELATIONS

Now while you realize your entire "thief" life was a lie. Remember there are hotlines to call if this is too much for you to handle.

[Souljacker]

sorry, couldn't help posting that about that rouge nonsense.

You do realize that I was spelling it wrong on purpose, right? It's one of my rare digs at the WoW community that could never, ever spell that word correctly... and another reason to call it thief.

[Kallera]

Zarzak, are you done? Because I don't remember insulting people being the point of this thread.

I don't want to play ninja, I am of the opinion that SE took something that I was looking foward to for a long time, and twisting it into something I'm not.

This is not the first time this has happened, and I'm considering other games because of it. end of story.

[Exstal]

Zarzak, are you done? Because I don't remember insulting people being the point of this thread.

I don't want to play ninja, I am of the opinion that SE took something that I was looking foward to for a long time, and twisting it into something I'm not.

This is not the first time this has happened, and I'm considering other games because of it. end of story.

That's unfortunate, hopefully the next game you migrate to will be a better fit than here. Cheers.

[Ilenya]

That's a good idea. I just hope some parties won't be like "Stop stealing stuff and do some dps!" lol

Replace Steal with Mug. Or have Steal be a proc off of certain abilities, though at that point it may be more like Treasure Hunter from FFXI.

[Kallera]

That's unfortunate, hopefully the next game you migrate to will be a better fit than here. Cheers.

Stop. Talking. To. Me.

[abzoluut]

We still have no confirmation about the job changes for 3.0.

You are right that the current jobs had to be based on the classes of 1.0. However, our current job system is a remnant of 1.0. Yoshi himself said that they even might completely change the job system as we know it now.

I so hope they do. It would mean they could add a job and give it abilities without the puzzle of cross class stuff. Cross class is fun, but it restricts the system in so many ways. I rather have a warrior version of iternal release instead of having to level PUG for it. It would allow for a more interesting ability variety for jobs.

As for THF and NIN: they just wanted to add NIN. I don't believe the lore rubbish as to why THF wasn't a good choice.

[Zarzak]

As for THF and NIN: they just wanted to add NIN. I don't believe the lore rubbish as to why THF wasn't a good choice.

Yes instead they decided to remove Ninja from the game and add in thief. Then give it 5 of the abilities ninja would have.

17 thief abilities 5 ninja abilities.... Yep the name means more than the skill distribution.