this is getting Ridiculous

[Nestama]

No, it's because JP players play it the way it was intended to be played.

Which is to fight the B's or A's as your Full Party without calling out the mobs existence for the zerg, correct? I'm honestly thinking of just announcing an A mob has spawned (if I find it first), but "accidentally" forget to add the location. I'll most likely get hated for it, but meh. If that's how it's intended, then no one should complain. I will report people resetting the mob, though :P

Still think having them require a pop item would be better.

[ispano]

Which is to fight the B's or A's as your Full Party without calling out the mobs existence for the zerg, correct? I'm honestly thinking of just announcing an A mob has spawned (if I find it first), but "accidentally" forget to add the location. I'll most likely get hated for it, but meh. If that's how it's intended, then no one should complain. I will report people resetting the mob, though :P

Still think having them require a pop item would be better.

You don't even need a party for a B. The only change they made was give them more HP, they're very easily soloable, just takes a bit longer than before.

And the thing about pop items, is it turns it from open world content to something that's not. And the problem with true open world content, is if the rewards are too good, you will run into the issue we have now.

[Kuwagami]

Because we aren't beaten into submission and actually express our thoughts when something is so broken it excludes others arbitrarily and for no good reason?

If JP side truly thinks that hunts are perfect as they are, then that explains why SE doesn't care. They will never change something just because NA\EU thinks it's a problem.

so much cliche it must hurt to say such things.

JP people are just way more respectful than westerners. Thus no hate/flame war in JP servers because of hunts. Thus no problem due to the horde.


On a side note, EU/NA think the hunt is a problem because they ripped it off so much it lost all its meaning. NA/EU hunt is totally botched by players' attitude, not by the system itself

[Nestama]

You don't even need a party for a B. The only change they made was give them more HP, they're very easily soloable, just takes a bit longer than before.

And the thing about pop items, is it turns it from open world content to something that's not. And the problem with true open world content, is if the rewards are too good, you will run into the issue we have now.

Oh, you know what I mean~ I found it, my kill and all that jazz~

Well I'm mostly focusing on that if the mobs were pop item required, then the marks can be as difficult as dungeon/raid bosses and innocent bystanders won't have to worry about the potential one hit KO skills. As for the rewards, Oils, Sands and UAT's will no longer be able to be bought and instead become a potential loot item upon the mobs death (rare drop from B's and A's. High drop from S's though, since getting their pop item could be tricky).

[Sadana]

Hunts are still broken and I'm surprised that SE doesn't see it. The JP side must not be complaining at all. Is there anyone who reads that forum that can confirm their take on the matter? I tried to run it through Google translate but spent more time laughing than seriously parsing what they were saying.

On my server at least we have the zerg rush, but if there is any negativity I couldn't tell. There is an 83-pager on hunts over there if someone wants to take a look.... Google Translate on the last few pages turned up

"What is the term, I do not want to say too bad, but this is might have been a bad move." (read with a grain of salt.)

Original here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...6262-モブハントについて

[Clavaat]

No, it's because JP players play it the way it was intended to be played.

We need to keep the call outs to your immediate FC/friends. Stop saying it in 100+ member LS', stop putting it into /sh. For the first week or two, it's one thing, when everyone is trying to learn how they work. We know how they work now. If you see it, it's yours to claim. If someone running by happens to see, they join in. That's it. The NA community is making it so much harder than it needs to be.

EDIT: Frankly, this is what most "Hunt LS'" have started to do anyway. They have smaller numbers, and don't shout.

[Kalrific]

I don't really have that much of a problem on my server. If I don't make it in time I just move on to the next one. I ran into a funny situation yesterday where I saw someone shout the wrong directions to misdirect the zerg. lol

[Nukocafe]

Thus no hate/flame war in JP servers because of hunts. Thus no problem due to the horde.

They rage and flame on 2ch so they can rage anonymously and not get banned on the forums.

[Kinseykinz]

There is a big difference between content worth to do and content not worth doing.


No, you can't. Don't you read people complaining they can't play with their FC members every day on this forum or how they log and had nothing to do because they capped Coil on first day (or they have static and can't join random pug or friends and progress with them)

"Hey friend, can you help me with T6?" "Nope, sorry, cause Yoshi doesn't want me to gear that much or play you ya :^)"

Heck, they could also solve the problem by using a model similar to CT for coil, but again, NOPE.

"B-BUT PEOPLE WOULD SELL RUNS!!"

2 words: who cares.

Actually, it's Yoshi P and the devs that care about selling runs. It was in a dev post as basically their very specific reason as to why the current installment of BC progression is locked to your character each week. That while they understand this puts some groups at odds with eachother (being able to assist friends in your FC after you and your static get your clear), the reality is that they feel the best raid gear, from the current hardest raid content should be earned and not handed. They just feel that having well-geared, and experienced people 'carry' through their FC is not the intended method. They also felt that there should be some content in game that is for a dedicated 8-man team. Nor do they wish to promote 'sells'. They did however say, they would continue to monitor the progress of different players and the situation. Still, you do in fact have another source of content, that you can do with your friends as often as you like to help them progress. ST=ilvl100 gear. And Binding Coil 1= ilvl 90 gear and 95 weapons. There's also EX primals with ilvl 90+ drops. The ONLY content that is subject to character weekly character lockout, is BC 2. Everything else you are free to do as often as you please. Sure, Sold tomes cap as well...but you weren't grinding coil for tomes, so you were capping those other ways anyway.


Furthermore, the 'content worth doing' thing: Did you enjoy BC1...or did you enjoy the gear. Because it's still there, and now completely spammable. So is everything else minus ONE thing Binding Coil 2. And when 2.4 comes out, BC2 doesn't lose it's' fun' it looses its weekly lockouts and being BiS drops. EX primals are also a challenge, and content you can enter as often as you please with anyone you please. So based on your lack of interest in ANY other content aside from BC2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Gear>content in your mind. This game is full of content...it might not be full of content you enjoy, or find worthy of your time, but it's not lacking for content. Maybe, maybe if you're finding 'gee, there's only ever one thing in this game I like doing' maybe this isn't the game for you. Maybe your time would be better spend doing other things/playing games more your style.

Actually, you can do everything in less than two weeks. 2.1 complete extremes the first week, complete CT, complete the new dungeons... after it just became the "log on monday" game.

While it is true, you can level your first job and it's subclasses, experience the storylines, and grind the gear to enter coil in probably 2-3 weeks...most people don't do that. It takes them far longer. Furthemore, once again, they could do this, but you're leaving out a lot of side progression in this '2 week plan'....content that you might not enjoy, but others might take a keen interest in. Still, those same friends that for whatever reason can't find other people in an MMO to play with to challenge BC2 if they are really interested in doing it, will be able to enter as many times as they like, with you come 2.4. As you like to point out, by then, you could probably farm them everything they need to progress to BC 3 in what? 1-2 weeks? (which btw, is also why there's a lock....no one NEEDS BC2 gears yet.....you only need it when doing BC3, which hasn't been released yet You, and your friends can do everything else in this game fully geared in i90-Sold items.).

It is absolutely fine that you enjoy content like BC the most. It's fine you wish there was more of it (and hopefully, there WILL be more of it in up-coming patches...like more than one new hardcore content released at the same time). But to stand there and say 'this is a game of lockouts I can't play with my friends!' is most assuredly wrong. You can't go back and do ONE thing in game with your non-static friends each week. But changing lockouts, or allowing gear to be farmed the moment it goes live, doesn't solve your issue. You're complaining that it's a 'log in Monday' game as it stands now....they do things your way you're right, it won't be a 'log in Monday' game...it'll be a 'log in for 2-3 weeks after the new patch game' ....and then who will your friends play with? (It won't be you, you won't even be logging in)

[Dwill]

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Sorry but the whole thing reeks of selfishness and willful ignorance. You completely ignored any points I brought and just wrote worthless drivel.