I hope this clears up some of the Rogue>Ninja rage

[Kaethra]

I really never understood the argument that a THF would be out of place in the lore/world... other FF games managed to fit in heroic thieves quite well, it's just the limitations of the writers' own creativity that prevents THF from being part of this game. There was THF in FFXI and was still considered heroic even when you could steal and mug.

If you're worried about THFs not being heroic in FFXIV, maybe have there be a plot point where the thieves' guild is going through conflict, where some of the guild is shadier and only about their profits, and the other part of the guild (which your character will side with) will be the ones who want to essentially be Robin Hoods and take their skill to help others while also helping themselves. Then you'd have a nice story arc about the Robin Hoods muscling out the shadier THFs and starting a new era of the Thief Guild where they undermine the rich and corrupt to help the less fortunate (and themselves of course).

Replace Thief with Rogue and THF with ROG.. and everything you just said still makes sense.

No one can prove that all thieves are already NOT rogues. A thief is a rogue. Not all rogues are thieves. I don't understand why that is escaping everyone. You can still be a THIEF as a ROGUE, you just RP stealing stuff. Thats all a thief is, a rogue that steals.

You all that are in a fuss about the thief being replaced with a rogue are not thinking about those that wish to play Rogues without being a Thief at the same time.

[Gaddes]

A thief is a rogue. Not all rogues are thieves. I don't understand why that is escaping everyone. You can still be a THIEF as a ROGUE, you just RP stealing stuff. Thats all a thief is, a rogue that steals.

You all that are in a fuss about the thief being replaced with a rogue are not thinking about those that wish to play Rogues without being a Thief at the same time.

I don't care about playing a Rogue; I care about playing a Thief. Thief is the traditional FF class. If Rogue ends up leading to a Thief job, then that's fine. The issue I was addressing, however, is not Rogue vs Thief, but the excuses being made as to why THF "wouldn't work". There have been countless examples of noble/heroic/good thieves in other FF lore, it could be done here as well.

[Zarzak]

I don't care about playing a Rogue; I care about playing a Thief. Thief is the traditional FF class. If Rogue ends up leading to a Thief job, then that's fine. The issue I was addressing, however, is not Rogue vs Thief, but the excuses being made as to why THF "wouldn't work". There have been countless examples of noble/heroic/good thieves in other FF lore, it could be done here as well.

And in 2.4 you can play a Thief. And as soon as addons come out I'll see about making one that automatically replaces the word "Rogue" with Thief" and "ROG" with "THF" every time it is typed or displayed anywhere on the UI just to quell the crazies.

[Kaethra]

I don't care about playing a Rogue; I care about playing a Thief. Thief is the traditional FF class. If Rogue ends up leading to a Thief job, then that's fine. The issue I was addressing, however, is not Rogue vs Thief, but the excuses being made as to why THF "wouldn't work". There have been countless examples of noble/heroic/good thieves in other FF lore, it could be done here as well.

I'd love for you to prove that all of those lovely thieves in previous FF lore were not also Rogues.

[Gaddes]

I'd love for you to prove that all of those lovely thieves in previous FF lore were not also Rogues.

Again, my original post was not even referring to rogues or the rogues vs thief thing, but rather my frustration with their excuses that a Thief character "wouldn't work" in the context of this game, followed by an example of how the writing could allow for it to work in the game's world.

But anyway... unrelated to what I was actually talking about, if you want to go ahead and call all the thieves in past FF games "rogues that steal" as you seem so hell-bent on doing, knock yourself out. They're still classified as thieves. And for those saying that a Thief Guild wouldn't be allowed or whatever, my assumption was always that the Thief Guild would be a secret one, not like the other guilds that are out in the open. Maybe a secret password/code/etc to tell thieves apart from regular folk, a secret Thief Guild hideout that's hidden away, that sort of thing. Granted I played a lot of the Quest for Glory series back in the day, and that series' Thieves Guild always was a secretive, elite and shady organization. I know people mentioned Limsa, but Ul'Dah actually seems well suited for Thieves, considering the mass amounts of money circulating in that place.

[Souljacker]

I know people mentioned Limsa, but Ul'Dah actually seems well suited for Thieves, considering the mass amounts of money circulating in that place.

I actually thought that Thancred was alluding to something just like this in the storyline - you know after we saw the Doman fighter for 3 seconds and then had to have our eyes bleed as Thancred flipped around the screen for a full 20 minutes stealing her thunder? Really SE, why do you keep trying to redeem that weakling? Any why did we have to watch HIM flip around instead of the mysterious character we are all interested in learning more about?

I agree that Uldah would be the place for a thieves\assassins guild and it would be a secret organization.

As for why people are up in arms, for the final time I will explain: the more they try to NOT be Final Fantasy, the worse the game gets. 1.0 failed because it wasn't Final Fantasy, it was some other generic grind that didn't even make sense and no one recognized. Moving back to more of the same is counterproductive. What Yoshi-P really should do is leave the current class\jobs as they are, but going forward make each job its own from start to finish. There is no reason we need Rogue to evolve into Ninja or Thief or anything at all. Rogue can be its own class from start to finish. Ninja can be its own class from start to finish. Same with Thief, if they ever decide to get their heads out of their asses and give the players what they truly want.

There is no need for all of this "I was once this but I am now that and I have 2 level 50's listed in my character screen but I will only ever use the Job anyway". It's such a waste.

[Phyllo]

Really SE, why do you keep trying to redeem that weakling? Any why did we have to watch HIM flip around instead of the mysterious character we are all interested in learning more about?.

Ahahah weakling ahahah .... Ok so to you, just because he got manipulated by an ascian he is weak? You're the only person who cannot be manipulated by them, does that mean everybody are weaklings?

Cuz if I remember well... He is the one who took care of the gobbue when it broke free in the v1 uldahn parade, as you are not supposed to exist there at that time, he and the gang fought against gaius while you are watching helplessly and might have won if not for the agrius nuke, still in v1.
Now in v2, he was the one who was fighting the voidsent not you, you were just keeping the small fry busy and that may be one of the rare occasion you see him fight but he actually way stronger than you think.
all archons are pretty much at the same level, just because yoshida turned us into 1st class godlike anomaly doesn't mean that the rest are weaklings.

Also, Yugiri will be back for 2.4 with her dojo so she'll have plenty screen time.

And for the last time... Give up. Rogue are in limsa it already has been officially confirmed >_>

From the lodestone

Lurking in the shadows, adhering to no laws but their own, they punish the wicked, pilfering their ill-gotten gains and delivering them to the downtrodden masses. Thought by many to be mere common criminals, some would say they play an unseen hand in maintaining order in the buccaneer's haven of Limsa Lominsa.

Some people either don't know when to give up or simply don't know how to read...

[Rednight]

You can still be a THIEF as a ROGUE, you just RP stealing stuff.

I doubt this is an option, because in the end "you're either a Ninja or screw you"...

When was the last time you seen a GLA or ACN or any class in an instance after Lv.30 (with the exception of a few clueless newbies or MRD in PvP) ?

You just don't play classes, you play jobs in this game.