[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Mjytresz]

O_O

Are you serious?

Wait...you're the same person in the other thread wondering why anyone would bring a SMN over a BLM to a raid. Yeah... I'm going to guess you don't know how to play your job properly.

You're saying SMN pet DPS is noticeable?
Maybe you're the one who doesn't do their job properly.

In fact, that's the problem I'm getting at: Aside from Contagion, pets largely don't matter.

Go sit in Akiza's corner, you'd have two things in common: you don't know jack and have a cult-like love for summoner.

When I think of which class to select, I think of two things:
1) What does its job well enough to stand-out?
2) What does it do?

SMN in FF14 is the typical DoT Killer with a Pet archetype. However, it doesn't exactly do either of these very well.
SMN is pretty great in a long-term fight where it can let DoTs tick, take advantage of Contagion, and properly use Fester. However, that's about it. SMN sucks pretty hard for AoE and for mobs that die in less than 15 seconds, those DoTs don't add up to enough damage to justify casting them. In which case, you're probably going to SF + Ruin spam anyway. If that's what we're looking for to get through trash mobs, I'd rather invite a BLM and have it AoE everything down so we can clear in less than the hour it'd take for the SMN.
As I said above, pets also don't contribute much. Aside from Contagion, do you give a shit what your pet is doing? Do you even use Ifrit or Titan? I can't remember the last time I went into a dungeon using anything more than Garuda. I can't remember the last time I saw another SMN using Ifrit or Titan either. If Contagion didn't exist, pets still wouldn't matter.

And that's the problem. Is this another DoT Killer mage with a pet? Affliction Warlock would disagree.
Is this a pet class with DoTs for sustained DPS? Considering how negligible your pet is, obviously not.

So, really, what the hell is SMN? Obviously it's an identity crisis. If this game didn't have raids, we wouldn't have SMN.

[JohnMccain]

You're saying SMN pet DPS is noticeable?
Maybe you're the one who doesn't do their job properly.

In fact, that's the problem I'm getting at: Aside from Contagion, pets largely don't matter.

This is a joke right? I have a task for you. Go into either t6,8, or 9, use contagion and put garuda away for the rest of the fight. Come back here and post your results or a reason for why you got replaced.

And no, smn doesn't need to be reworked. Only thing I would like to see is a use for ifrit and titan. I think giving titan a provoke like ability is a start. I really don't see how they can make ifrit or garuda on par with each other without people favoring one over the other unless like others stated making contagion a class based skill as opposed to pet.

[Ardan]

This is a joke right? I have a task for you. Go into either t6,8, or 9, use contagion and put garuda away for the rest of the fight. Come back here and post your results or a reason for why you got replaced.

And no, smn doesn't need to be reworked. Only thing I would like to see is a use for ifrit and titan. I think giving titan a provoke like ability is a start. I really don't see how they can make ifrit or garuda on par with each other without people favoring one over the other unless like others stated making contagion a class based skill as opposed to pet.

Need to be careful when adding skills to the classes as all jobs associated with that class will have access to it too. Garuda is fine, they just need to make Ifrit and Titan not suck.

[Mjytresz]

This is a joke right? I have a task for you. Go into either t6,8, or 9, use contagion and put garuda away for the rest of the fight. Come back here and post your results or a reason for why you got replaced.

I'm sure it's because I'm missing an astounding 500+ DPS from Garuda's amazing auto-attack damage, right?
Or it's probably because every non-summoner is a qualified and licensed professional of pet DPS.

[Ardan]

I'm sure it's because I'm missing an astounding 500+ DPS from Garuda's amazing auto-attack damage, right?
Or it's probably because every non-summoner is a qualified and licensed professional of pet DPS.

Even if he wasn't a SMN, (which John might be as he has lvl 50 ACN) you don't need to be a master at SMN to know that one third of your damage is important. Why even be a SMN at all if you don't care about your Egi being out or not? It just makes you look either lazy or ignorant. Probably both.

[Dwill]

You're saying SMN pet DPS is noticeable?
Maybe you're the one who doesn't do their job properly.

In fact, that's the problem I'm getting at: Aside from Contagion, pets largely don't matter.

I'm sure it's because I'm missing an astounding 500+ DPS from Garuda's amazing auto-attack damage, right?
Or it's probably because every non-summoner is a qualified and licensed professional of pet DPS.

Considering that your pet's damage is between 25-30% of your own, if you don't notice its damage and its usefulness then it's a PEBKAC issue.