Do you think we will ever see a DPS Conjurer Job? (GEO?)

[ruinedmirage]

The only way I can see this working is if they changed the Cure spells to Water damage spells (or other DPS buffs) when equipping the GEO soulstone. It's pretty much what they did for ACN -> SCH: Replaced Carby (DPS/tank skill) with Fairy (healer skill).

Yeah, I know that Cure spells aren't exactly Water based spells, but there's a shortage of Water spells (not that elements make any difference, but just for arguments sake). I agree that 1 class should equal 1 job, but they HAVE changed skills from ACN to fit the job, so it's possible to do it again....

[Zoeila]

i think this will work better at a higher level cap where you can have more job abilities,or if they drop the job abilities every 5 levels crap.

[Cuervo78]

Personally I m not a fan of the one base class - multiple jobs concept.
Since the jobs share most of the basic skills and traits they feel too similar to each other.

Why not another class and job seated in the same guild?

[AniCelestine]

Why not another class and job seated in the same guild?

That. Why not just make the 2 classes that are lorewise similar and put them under sam guilds roof with separate receptionicts and all (go see marauder's guild, theres already the marks and decorations for some gun class) similiar style with other classes also.

[Exstal]

That. Why not just make the 2 classes that are lorewise similar and put them under sam guilds roof with separate receptionicts and all (go see marauder's guild, theres already the marks and decorations for some gun class) similiar style with other classes also.

Because the topic is if Conjurer will a DPS job and Geomancer was the possibility. A different class wouldn't be Conjurer.

[Mjytresz]

I so wish that they wouldn'tdo anymore 2 job 1 class, cause it just doesn't work so well, especially if you want to play both of them to the max, you'll lack stat points o other unless you farm alot of the stat reset items, which are 10k each, which isn't really affordable every day

Is 30 MND stopping you from being a good SCH?

[Zoeila]

consider most smn skills have a potency of less than 50% lawl.
also the cnj story hints at 2 sides

[Giantbane]

That. Why not just make the 2 classes that are lorewise similar and put them under sam guilds roof with separate receptionicts and all (go see marauder's guild, theres already the marks and decorations for some gun class) similiar style with other classes also.

Because it takes a lot less development time to create a 2nd job than it does to create a whole other class with a full guild, 18 extra abilities, unique theme, etc, etc, etc.

The 2nd job concept is like a specialization in other games. Another game might have a single paladin class, but allow you to make it a tank, dps or healer spec. By the same token, you have your base arcanist class that can specialize as a healer or a DPS. Most of the abilities are the same, and the core concept is the same (dots and pets). It's just the healer spec (SCH) can also heal.

If they were to add the ability to customize your stats per job instead of per class (so different ability points for SMN/SCH for instance) it's actually quite helpful. When leveling my SCH, I would usually do any open world content (fates/levequests) as the SMN, because it killed faster. But for dungeons, I would use the SCH for heals because I could get queues faster.

WHM currently kills pretty slow in the open world, a DPS spec would be nice to use as an alternative. This will be more useful when they raise the level cap and we need to start leveling again.

[Giantbane]

Given that Conjurer is ridiculously ingrained into the healing role, it's very unlikely.

Look at their skills;

Cure, Aero, Cleric Stance, Protect, Medica, Esuna, Cura, Stoneskin, Curaga, and Medicara. That's 10 healer based skills, with 3 of them being used by Paladin which only 1 should have been cross classable, but whatever.

Then we have their traits;

Proshell, Freecure, Graniteskin, Overcure, Maim and Mend I*, Maim and Mend II*. That's 4 traits that enhance healer and Paladin usable skills beyond what any DPS should be allowed to have.

*The "maim" part of these skills are fine, the "mend" would make a DPS too strong for healing.

Common arguments are, "just leave those and lower the healing power on them". Then you run into the issue of a DPS that could heal if there was enough of them. What's to say that 2 healers, 3 GEO, 2 tanks, and 1 Bard, won't become the best setup? I don't believe the way CNJ is now that it is possible to make it into a DPS and there are no convincing arguments anywhere on these forums to say otherwise. It'd just be better to create a new class and branch GEO from that.

It's not like a SMN or BLM can heal particularly well even though they have Physick. They used to be able to have a half decent heal if they used INT/MND gear, but gear has become more specialized after i70. There isn't any INT/MND gear past i70, and there isn't any i90+ MND gear that SMN or BLM can wear. So even with the greater potency of base CNJ levels spells, I don't think these abilities would still be all that useful. This will become more true as gear levels increase and gear stats make up a greater portion of a characters total stats.

[MartaDemireux]

I'm not sure if it will but I hope it will. It's a good starting point for it already. I have an idea up for it here. Well technically 2 ideas for it.

I prefer my 2nd idea for it in that link. Basically equipping the GEO soul allows Stone to combo with Stone II, Freecure turns to Freestone and functions the same but for Stone and Stone II, Overcure turns into Overdraft which gives Aero a chance of giving Aero II a proc to crit, Cleric Stance turns into Geomancy which is the effective DPS stance. With Geomancy up Stone/Stone II will build Geomancy stacks which can then be used on the Geomancer's job abilities. All stacks of Geomancy are used up when the job abilities are used and the potency of the abilities depends on how many stacks are consumed. While Geomancy is active the potency of attack spells is increased by 10%, the potency of healing spells is reduced by 25% and the MP costs of support abilities such as Stoneskin and Esuna are greatly increased. Geomancy stacks are lost when Geomancy is deactivated.

When Geomancy isn't active the GEO can function as a CNJ healer but in INT based gear so their heals won't be very effective but could help in a pinch. Essentially suffering a bit of a DPS loss in order to gain a small amount of support in the form of heals. During this time they can also add support via Stoneskin and Esuna.