Expansion Jobs Speculation

[Exstal]

Hard? Not particularly. Different? Absolutely.

Source: Scholar and Summoner.

Rebuttal: They are not the same role.

[TheCurls]

Rebuttal: They are not the same role.

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

[Reynhart]

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

SCH has 2 classes skills and 8 pets skills different from Arcanist

[Exstal]

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

SCH is different because of their job skills, but that heavily lends itself to the fact that it's a different role. DPS SCH plays pretty much the same as SMN. If SCH was another DPS, then it wouldn't be very different at all. So it matters what role the new class is.

Well, perhaps one way: The fact that Yoshi-P was even CONSIDERING adding Thief as a Class rather than a Job indicates that he wasn't totally familiar with the fact that Thief is one of the Classic Six FF jobs: White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage, Thief, Blackbelt (Monk), and Fighter (Warrior). White Mage, Black Mage, Monk, and Warrior are all Jobs, not Classes. If Red Mage and Thief are ever added, and are NOT added as Jobs instead of Classes, the whole Internet will explode with OCD nerdrage.

The way I read it, Rogue *should* be named Thief. It shouldn't be Rogue, 双剣士, Surineur, and Schurke but rather be named, Thief, シーフ, Voleur, and Dieb. But lore caused problems so the former was chosen.

In Naoki's mind, Rogue *is* Thief and that's the end of their intention on that matter. I wouldn't dare claim that Thief job is off the table because in desperate times, people will do wild things.

[Alice_89th]

The way I read it, Rogue *should* be named Thief. It shouldn't be Rogue, 双剣士, Surineur, and Schurke but rather be named, Thief, シーフ, Voleur, and Dieb. But lore caused problems so the former was chosen

What I find more interesting is that in English, German, and French it is named something like "rogue". In all three the name implies the rough life, the wild side, whatever you want to call it.

yet in Japanese it is simply called 双剣士 (soukenshi), which translates to "duel swordsman" (or "duel fencer" if you like that better). Which is more of a description of the weapons it uses than a style of life.

[Shurrikhan]

What I find more interesting is that in English, German, and French it is named something like "rogue". In all three the name implies the rough life, the wild side, whatever you want to call it.

Yet in Japanese it is simply called 双剣士 (soukenshi), which translates to "duel swordsman" (or "duel fencer" if you like that better). Which is more of a description of the weapons it uses than a style of life.

That's always been the case though. Each localization has put a spin on the class, which implies something like a style of character, while the Japanese is always just the weapon set. Bowman, Swordsman, Axeman, Curse-er, Hand-to-hand combatant, Illusion(?)(Gen)-ist, etc. Whether you consider that as a "purer" take on the classes (or class names specifically) or not though, the ability sets, especially the CD arsenals, or each class certainly does push each weapon usage in a certain direction, which is why the classes, mere weapons and learning to better use them, act a bit like jobs in their own right.