Did 2.3 create enmity issues for tanks?

[Dotsusama]

I'm willing to bet this is a problem with the new "automatically re-apply Defiance / Shield Oath" mechanic, because I haven't had any issues, or seen any issues, but I know people like me just refresh Defiance upon entering a duty or wiping out of habit.

[Uliq]

I've just got out of SV(HM)and experienced an enmity rip issue with my healer, who was barely doing anything. Haven't run with any other ranged outside of ST so not sure, but the healer rip has never happened to me before. Ripped off of Steel Cyclone + Overpower before first enemy died.

[silvach]

I've just got out of SV(HM)and experienced an enmity rip issue with my healer, who was barely doing anything. Haven't run with any other ranged outside of ST so not sure, but the healer rip has never happened to me before. Ripped off of Steel Cyclone + Overpower before first enemy died.

Doing Steel Cyclone + Overpower you do 1575 enmity in 2 gcds. When opening with Flash+OP you would do 1950 enmity.

Not saying you do it wrong. But unless you crit, you should not open with SC.

[Snorgrind]

Doing Steel Cyclone + Overpower you do 1575 enmity in 2 gcds. When opening with Flash+OP you would do 1950 enmity.

Not saying you do it wrong. But unless you crit, you should not open with SC.

Isnt SC strongest aoe enmity skill since 2.1 ? How the hell flash + OP would be better than SC + OP ?

[silvach]

Isnt SC strongest aoe enmity skill since 2.1 ? How the hell flash + OP would be better than SC + OP ?

SC has 200 potency without any enmity multiplier. It's further reduced by defiance (however not fully). Flash is equal to 500 potency skill multiplied by defiance and not reduced by the 25% debuff. Do the math, unless you are unchained and Maim / Berserk buffed you will not do more enmity with SC than with flash.

[Snorgrind]

SC has 200 potency without any enmity multiplier. It's further reduced by defiance (however not fully). Flash is equal to 500 potency skill multiplied by defiance and not reduced by the 25% debuff. Do the math, unless you are unchained and Maim / Berserk buffed you will not do more enmity with SC than with flash.

sc have enmity multiplier since 2.1 i think its x3, also its not reduced by defiance like IB which means its a lot stronger than flash

[silvach]

sc have enmity multiplier since 2.1 i think its x3, also its not reduced by defiance like IB which means its a lot stronger than flash

My bad. It does more than flash then (17% more). Sorry for that.

[Kenji1134]

Flash is ~495 base potency, reduced to 75% by Defiance, then doubled... So 742.5
Steel Cyclone is 200 base potency, 3x natural hate mod, no reduction from Defiance, and doubled... 1200

[Traek]

Quick update:

Did T7 again tonight. If I try to get initial aggro on a Deathdancer using a melee range attack, like a combo'ed Skull Sunder or Steel Cyclone, it will just run away from me, go to someone, look at them, and come back.

If I use Tomahawk, it will start running to someone, BUT THEN, it actually comes back to me as soon as the attack connects... Sometimes it takes 2 if there's a bit too much healing aggro at that moment. But Tomahawk seems to fix this issue for T7.

Mmm, I don't really think it fixes it. I am pretty positive last night when helping another group that I saw multiple times, (and it happened to my WAR when I picked up) that the tomahawk would still hit and have the add run to even a BRD at times who literally didn't have it targeted but was just in the vicinity.

I agree with the Skull Sunder/SC though. Just some weird target acquisition going on or something. I hope SE looks into this. It isn't game breaking, but definitely a little sloppy. The T6 issue I notice is also a pain for PLDs trying to keep aggroe over AoE healing WHMs. If the MT doesn't sit next to the party till the slugs hit them, the OT can really only get one flash before they run way out of range to run straight back to the PLD.

As far as straight enmity, I'm still not seeing it. Sounds like what people are reporting is the similar glitch of SwO > ShO before. Buff shows up but not the effect, and maybe something similar now with Defiance. Turning the buff off, then back on, was also the fix for that before. So if people are wanting a temporary answer, that is the best one. Hopefully SE looks into this and gets back to us.

[Uliq]

Is flash multiplier the same on war and pld? War doesn't give the blind status.