Did 2.3 create enmity issues for tanks?

**Gaddes** · 07-12-2014 08:47 AM

Not really seeing it as much with WARs, but I've been seeing a LOT of PLDs having hate/enmity problems while playing the new content... tanks are constantly getting mobs pulled off of them, and I was wonder if perhaps the change in 2.3 to keep Shield Oath constantly applied might have messed up its enmity?

I've seen people spam flash and still have a mob or two trail away momentarily, and in general I never saw this level of hate-loss prior to 2.3.

**Vahlnir** · 07-12-2014 08:50 AM

To be honest, I've been seeing this off and on for months now, but mainly from WARs. The only thing that's obvious is they lack full knowledge of their class...or any at lower levels. I may also just be unlucky with DF tanks.

Originally Posted by Gaddes

I'm not referring to people who still haven't mastered their class though.

There's a thread on the ffxiv subreddit where people who have been doing second coil, new dungeons, and Ramuh have been chiming in with their enmity issues.

Hmm, interesting. Though I believe my own experiences have merit, this is another issue entirely.

**Gaddes** · 07-12-2014 08:54 AM

I'm not referring to people who still haven't mastered their class though.

There's a thread on the ffxiv subreddit where people who have been doing second coil, new dungeons, and Ramuh have been chiming in with their enmity issues.

**AmyNeudaiz** · 07-12-2014 08:55 AM

I normally never have hate issues on PLD but now I am. i95 weapon and I can't keep hate against anyone with an i100 weapon. I'm pretty good at keeping hate, at least I thought....

**Welsper59** · 07-12-2014 08:56 AM

A reddit post mentions this as well.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...3_shield_oath/

Seems like people are assuming it's the same problem that happened before with Shield Oath getting messed up (possibly due to a bug with the auto-recast). Apparently Warriors are performing the same as always.

Edit: Just noticed you mentioned this too just before I posted lol.

**Amused** · 07-12-2014 11:25 AM

Huh, I thought it was just me even though I'm not doing things any differently than I used to. Yes though, I would like to report that I've noticed it is more difficult to hold enmity after the patch.

**Purrfectstorm** · 07-12-2014 11:46 AM

I haven't noticed any difference and I've been doing dungeons with equally geared players so I don't know...

**Ouza** · 07-12-2014 11:50 AM

This has been an issue for some tanks for a while.

I get harassed a lot to "learn my class" and I stand there speechless when I am spamming enmity moves at a single target or spamming a mob (yes even flash , etc) and I lose enmity. whats even worse is that there seems to be a move that either is BARD specific (or possible shadow move from archers) which removes my ability to target an enemy for several seconds. As in the red circle on the ground disappears and it can take up to 15 seconds for me to be able to target again. I used to think it was a glitch with my character only, but I have had other warriors and gladiators argue with archer/bards in dungeons that they are removing enmity and or targeting abilities from them while that archer/bard/lancer screamed at us to "learn your class".

I think this is a random glitch in the game as it does not happen all the time.

**Wiz52** · 07-12-2014 11:38 PM

The problem is affecting WAR/MAR also. I was running some low level dungeons/guildhests last night as a MAR and could BARELY hold threat, even on single mob pulls. I don't think I even had the opportunity to use Maim or Fracture because using a non-enmity generating move that was on GDC would have caused me to lose threat. There were even a couple of times where I had full threat on a mob and it would still turn around and target the scholar's pet! I never had this issue in these same dungeons pre-2.3.

**ZephyrAM** · 07-13-2014 12:48 AM

I had some issues keeping hate from the Monk and BLM that I rank through SV HM with the other day, but I'm sitting at around 85 ilvl, and they were both all ilvl 100 gear, so it's rather understandable.

Not sure if there's any truth to this issue overall, or if it's just that dps are 'way' overgeared for these ilvl 70 req dungeons.

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