PvP still zero fun

[GilbertLapine]

Well, I can't speak for melees or healers, but I can say that for bard front lines is ridiculously fun. I actually look forward to my soldiery grind. I use my full range of abilities in both duels and larger encounters, and find the PvP skills to be useful but not overpowering. Healers are by far the hardest to take down, followed by tanks. The strategy emphasis in front line is also good fun, especially with 3-way combat. Lots of replay ability here, and the decision to exclude PvP gears and cap at i80 was brilliant and has made the game far more accessible.

[Saccharin]

Well, I can't speak for melees or healers, but I can say that for bard front lines is ridiculously fun. I actually look forward to my soldiery grind. I use my full range of abilities in both duels and larger encounters, and find the PvP skills to be useful but not overpowering. Healers are by far the hardest to take down, followed by tanks. The strategy emphasis in front line is also good fun, especially with 3-way combat. Lots of replay ability here, and the decision to exclude PvP gears and cap at i80 was brilliant and has made the game far more accessible.

I was thinking in going Bard next time I step into it for the reasons you cite. You have the best of both worlds - range and instants!

The only problem I have is that this makes PvP gear redundant considering FL is basically what you would call a battleground in another game and those are usually more popular than arenas for most players. There should be time taken to tweak FL before any other maps are introduced as they just suffer from the same systematic issues the old map does.

[Delsus]

I was thinking in going Bard next time I step into it for the reasons you cite. You have the best of both worlds - range and instants!

The only problem I have is that this makes PvP gear redundant considering FL is basically what you would call a battleground in another game and those are usually more popular than arenas for most players. There should be time taken to tweak FL before any other maps are introduced as they just suffer from the same systematic issues the old map does.

I was doing frontlines on BRD last night and it was so much fun, we go to take the temple, and see most of the Maelstrom there, hunting players down, kiting that Warrior so he couldn't hit me ahh the good times.

[Shairine]

no I am talking about pvp in general in ff, frontlines and wolfsden. I played many MMO's and I think to compare FFXIV with other MMO's like WoW or Tera or Guildwars is legit. And for such a great game it lacks hard in terms of PvP, thats just a fact you cant denie.

I mean its my own opinion. If you enjoying PvP thats good, but I am not happy with it. There are too many things missing.

1. No Open PvP
2. No option to duel with other players
3. Latency is a big issue
4. Waitingtimes and stupid autoqueue when someone doenst accept the invite (last hotfix fixed it somewhat)
5. No Balance (as a Paladin you deal 0 dmg for example)
6. Autobalance on Itemlevel is the stupiest thing I ever heard. And its Copy&Pasta from Wildstar

[Saccharin]

no I am talking about pvp in general in ff, frontlines and wolfsden. I played many MMO's and I think to compare FFXIV with other MMO's like WoW or Tera or Guildwars is legit. And for such a great game it lacks hard in terms of PvP, thats just a fact you cant denie.

I mean its my own opinion. If you enjoying PvP thats good, but I am not happy with it. There are too many things missing.

1. No Open PvP
2. No option to duel with other players
3. Latency is a big issue
4. Waitingtimes and stupid autoqueue when someone doenst accept the invite (last hotfix fixed it somewhat)
5. No Balance (as a Paladin you deal 0 dmg for example)
6. Autobalance on Itemlevel is the stupiest thing I ever heard. And its Copy&Pasta from Wildstar

1) open world PvP is a bad idea. PvP servers just become lop-sided and gankfests. There's no factions so it would have to be a free for all and that's just a disaster.
2) that would be fine I guess.
3) it's always an issue in PvP no matter the game.
4) as above.
5) That's always an issue too and I hate when PvP changes PvE in the name of balance. At least they do have spate rules for both PvE and PvP.
6) No, it's not. PvP should be about skill not how over geared you are. If that's why you do PvP, to win not because of skill but gear difference then you're a ganker and not a PvPer. Wildstar didn't invent that and it's paste not pasta.

[Shairine]

1) open world PvP is a bad idea. PvP servers just become lop-sided and gankfests. There's no factions so it would have to be a free for all and that's just a disaster.
2) that would be fine I guess.
3) it's always an issue in PvP no matter the game.
4) as above.
5) That's always an issue too and I hate when PvP changes PvE in the name of balance. At least they do have spate rules for both PvE and PvP.
6) No, it's not. PvP should be about skill not how over geared you are. If that's why you do PvP, to win not because of skill but gear difference then you're a ganker and not a PvPer. Wildstar didn't invent that and it's paste not pasta.

1. Well Open PvP just worked fine in other MMO's why shall it not work here too? There are 3 factions by the way.
3. it wasnt such a big issue in tera,wow or guildwars for me and i got a 200mbit internet connection.
5. as i mentioned before they should create only pvp skills for each class.

[Aylis]

no I am talking about pvp in general in ff, frontlines and wolfsden. I played many MMO's and I think to compare FFXIV with other MMO's like WoW or Tera or Guildwars is legit. And for such a great game it lacks hard in terms of PvP, thats just a fact you cant denie.

I mean its my own opinion. If you enjoying PvP thats good, but I am not happy with it. There are too many things missing.

1. No Open PvP
2. No option to duel with other players
3. Latency is a big issue
4. Waitingtimes and stupid autoqueue when someone doenst accept the invite (last hotfix fixed it somewhat)
5. No Balance (as a Paladin you deal 0 dmg for example)
6. Autobalance on Itemlevel is the stupiest thing I ever heard. And its Copy&Pasta from Wildstar

1) I'd simply love to have open world PVP as it makes things a little more exciting. Though without a faction based system I don't see it working well in this game. Maybe later on the Grand Companies can serve as the faction baseline?
2) Needs this deffo
3) As it always is
4) See above
5) I believe the devs went into this without a full comprehension on how PVP works or should work. As far as i know SE doesn't have a lead PVP developer? Correct me if I'm wrong but if they don't. This needs to change.
6) No, its not. That's just how PVP works. Using item level as a crutch to win doesn't make someone a PVP'er. it makes them a win trader or clipper/ganker player, no skill or honor what-so-ever. No it's also not copied from Wildstar. Its been the standard in PVP systems in every modern MMO game since Warcraft

[Khaoticsuccubus]

no I am talking about pvp in general in ff, frontlines and wolfsden. I played many MMO's and I think to compare FFXIV with other MMO's like WoW or Tera or Guildwars is legit. And for such a great game it lacks hard in terms of PvP, thats just a fact you cant denie.

I mean its my own opinion. If you enjoying PvP thats good, but I am not happy with it. There are too many things missing.

1. No Open PvP

5. No Balance (as a Paladin you deal 0 dmg for example)

6. Autobalance on Itemlevel is the stupiest thing I ever heard. And its Copy&Pasta from Wildstar

1. Well Open PvP just worked fine in other MMO's why shall it not work here too? There are 3 factions by the way.

5. as i mentioned before they should create only pvp skills for each class.

1. The three city states are not at war with each other. Not even hostile really. They are allies. In frontlines they've agreed to more of a competition over the territory but, otherwise they have absolutely ZERO reason to attack each other on sight. In fact their leaders are strongly against that.

WoW is pretty much 50/50 pve/pvp. GW is similar but a bit more focus on the pvp. Tera is through and through designed for pvp, pve is almost an afterthought there. In contrast FF14 is the opposite. It is through and through designed for pve. Now, pvp isn't really an afterthought for it in the same way pve is for Tera but, it will never be add in just for the sake of adding it. It has to make SENSE within the STORY.

5. Problem there comes from the sheer amount of skills required to accomplish that. Regardless, I would rather they rework a class like Paladin (who by far is a snorefest imo, ability wise) into something who's gameplay isn't the grand sum of running into a crowd and screaming at the top of their lungs ;P

6. You... You do realized Wildstar just came out... right? And that FF14 arr has been out for almost a year now? Item sync has been a constant all over the game. Why would frontlines have been different? They didn't need to copy Wildstar. It was always going to be this way ;P

[Divinemight]

no I am talking about pvp in general in ff, frontlines and wolfsden.

This is your issues:

1. Open PvP, it is just a group of players ganking solo players, it doesnt involves skills.
2. The game is balance around team PvP and there is this triangle rule: Meele > Bard > Casters > Meeles
3. This is your hardware issue. If this is a server side issue, people would be start crying.
4. Waiting time is depending on the popularity of GC, if you are Malestorm, you jsut have to deal with it.
5. Balance is around team PvP, Paladin is not design for damamge output, its role is to control the combat pace by effectively protect your own team's healer. Also, no, Paladin has enough damamge, you just need to do stance dance between shield and sword oath.
6. Everyone starts equal, you wont see geared player taking advantage on non gear players. If you dont like it, you have other choice, but others seem to enjoy this idea.

[Nouran]

hello

I hate PvP in this Game

Then dont play PVP in this game.

but I love this Game

Then play this game

because the Wolfsden was just a waste of time

Then dont play this game

and I love PvP and until this patch

Then play this game

the fights are absolutly boring

Then dont play in this game

dude, you have 2 simple solutions ... either you play or you do not, why so serious ?