Design Flaws with Atma, let me count the ways

[Kuwagami]

Stop beating the dead horse. If you can't stand RNG, don't play MMOs. RNG won't reward you or your skill. RNG isn't fair. RNG won't give you your loot out of pity for your 200+ hours farming.

RNG doesn't give a crap about you. Deal with it or quit atma quest.


(edit : in case you haven't noticed, you are 4 month late to the "discussion" about atmas. Next time, do a search instead of posting a pointless thread)

[Tsuga]

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Oh you're right, if people don't like content they should just shut up quit the game instead of talking about it.

That's a wonderful attitude, why haven't they made you a community rep, yet? ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌

[nyyyyy]

I recently started playing and I gotta say that the ATMA grind probably is one of the worst designed features I have ever seen in a game. When a person can finish it in a matter of hours, while others have to bother for multiple weeks that shows pretty well how flawed the system is. I dont have a problem with what I am currently working on: Animus grind. Its actually the opposite. This is how a grind should be designed. But the ATMA grind simply is a lazy excuse for content, nothing else.

[Avarghaladion]

I recently started playing and I gotta say that the ATMA grind probably is one of the worst designed features I have ever seen in a game. When a person can finish it in a matter of hours, while others have to bother for multiple weeks that shows pretty well how flawed the system is. I dont have a problem with what I am currently working on: Animus grind. Its actually the opposite. This is how a grind should be designed. But the ATMA grind simply is a lazy excuse for content, nothing else.

I share this opinion. My gf is on the Novus portion and Animus/Novus are both perfectly acceptable, well thought out, and interesting... especially in comparison to Atma. I hold the belief that current relic progression was only ever supposed to consist of the Animus/Novus portion but that an idea-killer producer, or someone up the development chain, demanded the devs add "content" to slow players down.

[SpecialKK]

There is faaaar too much sodium in this thread already...:P

I believe the correct term is sodium chloride

[Kuwagami]

Oh you're right, if people don't like content they should just shut up quit the game instead of talking about it.

That's a wonderful attitude, why haven't they made you a community rep, yet? ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌

Oh you're right, opening a new subject month after the problem has been debated ins and outs without doing the minimum research to know it's useless makes perfect sense. Let me open a new thread about the lag after every patch because every idiot rushes in as soon as servers go live.

Oh the subject goes on since september ? I don't care I want ma thread !!

See where I'm going ? Instead of opening new useless threads, go necro the old threads. Still pointless as everything has already been said but if it pleases you... can't help it.

[Cassandaria]

Let's be honest, Atma grind is here because the community at large BEGGED for a gameplay element to be like FFXI. It's that simple, people wanted grind for something, they got it. Now people complain. Quite frankly, they release an alternative every few patches to make it fair. If you want to grind, you grind, if you don't want to grind, there's an option for you too! Don't like killing EX primals to get high level weapons? run ST! solution had!
Don't like grinding atmas to get a weapon that you keep advancing and changing and altering? do other content. It's not being locked out of content, it's being settled that quite frankly, not every player will be able to complete every single quest or line, some gear is only for people willing to dedicate the time or that get lucky. This thread is old, worn out, past its prime and this is not changing. Drop it already people.

[Avarghaladion]

Drop it already people.

They are... in that they've outright quit the game. It's easy to dismiss peoples' compaints but it isn't exactly a healthy approach. The reason these threads keep popping up is because some people are very disappointed in what they've been paying for.

[Duuude007]

The reason these threads keep popping up is because some people are very disappointed in what they've been paying for.

Indeed, because it is crucial that every aspect of the game must be appealing to every niche player in the game because that's what happens in reality.

Oh, wait... Scratch that, reverse it.

[Avarghaladion]

Indeed, because it is crucial that every aspect of the game must be appealing to every niche player in the game because that's what happens in reality.

Oh, wait... Scratch that, reverse it.

Yeah! Imagine people providing feedback for the parts of the game they most care about, that hold their primary interest, or in which they see the most problems... how outlandish would that be!? If only, instead of providing warranted feedback, everyone would just abstain from playing the parts of the game they... y'know... got the game for in the first place! Conscientiousness be damned!

Pithiness aside, Relic quests have been a fundamental concept in FF Online for over a decade. It is not "niche." It is core. The contrary and myopic argument that there are alternative weapons in FFXIV right now does not address the lack of quality in the anti-content we've received nor does it speak to the overall content imbalance the game is currently experiencing. Furthermore, while it does not describe the vast majority of players with concerns about Atma, it has been argued that the Atma "content" was intended for casuals. While I would argue this is certainly not the case, that would not be considered a "niche" group.