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    Here's the thing...

    Morale IS determination for pvp.

    Nice try though. Take your tradewin gear somewhere else.
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    90 pieces of PvP gear have Determination already, 86 have Critical Hit Rate, 42 Spell Speed and 37 have Skill Speed. So replacing Morale with Determination on all gear pieces is not a good idea, but a fair one for those pieces without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
    Here's the thing...

    Morale IS determination for pvp.

    Nice try though. Take your tradewin gear somewhere else.
    Ignoring the baseless accusations you made... Right now PVP gear is effectively crippled in frontlines because one of it's stat slots is removed in PVP. No other gear is treated like this. The absurd thing is this is the stuff you buy with the marks from doing frontlines! 200-600 Marks to be used on... PVP stuff right? And it's far more than you could get doing arenas remember? It totally upsets the balance for PVP gearing in general.

    Determination is just the off the cuff suggestion I had. I also said 'or some other class relevant stat'. You could take that Morale and make it Crit or Skillspeed or whatever if determination is already used.

    I'm not advocating an unfair advantage to people who PVP. I'm advocating replacing morale with something else when it can't applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenidate View Post
    Ignoring the baseless accusations you made... Right now PVP gear is effectively crippled in frontlines because one of it's stat slots is removed in PVP. No other gear is treated like this. The absurd thing is this is the stuff you buy with the marks from doing frontlines! 200-600 Marks to be used on... PVP stuff right? And it's far more than you could get doing arenas remember? It totally upsets the balance for PVP gearing in general.

    Determination is just the off the cuff suggestion I had. I also said 'or some other class relevant stat'. You could take that Morale and make it Crit or Skillspeed or whatever if determination is already used.

    I'm not advocating an unfair advantage to people who PVP. I'm advocating replacing morale with something else when it can't applied.
    Accuracy is pretty much a dead stat also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Accuracy is pretty much a dead stat also.
    But you can pick and chose from plenty of PVE gear that doesn't have accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenidate View Post
    But you can pick and chose from plenty of PVE gear that doesn't have accuracy.
    Its a bit more limited than you think. Each class currently has 10 non-PvP i80+ Armor sets, and close to half of the pieces in each slot have accuracy making them equal to PvP gear. Parry is also a semi-bad stat making a good chunk of the tank gear worse than the PvP gear.

    And my point was that Morale isn't the only dead stat.
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    Fair enough. But my point in this thread is that every single piece of PVP gear has a dead stat in Frontlines PVP.

    Edit:
    Perhaps Morale could just act as damage reduction in PVP instead of damage boost/reduction.
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    Last edited by Phenidate; 07-14-2014 at 08:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
    Here's the thing...

    Morale IS determination for pvp.

    Nice try though. Take your tradewin gear somewhere else.
    Loled hard, all rank 40s must be win traders amirite

    edit: Nvm you're from Excalibur I can see why you might think that =((((
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    Last edited by Epistane; 07-13-2014 at 04:53 AM.