Protesting Frontlines

[Rawk]

Yes, you rely on gear rather than skill.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...nt/category/5/ #JustSaying you can't really say I rely on gear rather than skill. I've never been fully decked out, and still just recently got at ilvl90. I'm also 1500 wolves den matches in, and months worth of pvp. It's easy for someone who doesn't pvp often to state "well who cares about that gear" but its different when we've had pvp gear in the game since the start of pvp and we've worked towards it and have earned it. The fact is that SE did put pvp gear in and they did put morale stat in already and then ripped it away from people who enjoyed pvp really is my main issue.

How much experience do you have in PvP with FFXIV? Do you even know that ilvl70 pvp gear can stand up against an ilvl100? You have very little experience in FFXIV's pvp yet you swear up and down its gear > skill. I don't understand, how do you know?

EDIT: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...nt/category/5/ <-- Mine for comparison.

[Ransu]

The fact is that SE did put pvp gear in and they did put morale stat in already and then ripped it away from people who enjoyed pvp really is my main issue.

Ya? Whats your point? I played swtor from launch and did nothing but pvp and geared through every tier of pvp gear and then BW implemented bolster which allowed pve gear to get expertise stat when entering a warzon. I was perfectly fine with it. I didn't get all pissy because they "killed my hard work" (cuz grinding is so hard *rolls eyes*). SE is doing the right thing just like BW is with bolster for swtor.

Even if I did bother to grind the gear in this game (No way in hell I would. I tried and got a two hour queue several days straight for wolves den so ya, screw that), I'd say the same exact thing. Removing pvp stats from frontlines is a good step forward.

[Rawk]

Ya? Whats your point? I played swtor from launch and did nothing but pvp and geared through every tier of pvp gear and then BW implemented bolster which allowed pve gear to get expertise stat when entering a warzon. I was perfectly fine with it. I didn't get all pissy because they "killed my hard work" (cuz grinding is so hard *rolls eyes*). SE is doing the right thing just like BW is with bolster for swtor.

Cool story, let's compare apples to oranges, because hey they're both fruit. FFXIV is basically saying "use pve gear for frontlines". SWTOR said "You can now use pve gear in pvp". See how that's different? They caught everyone up, instead of removing the rewards. I've stated in the past on this thread, I wouldn't mind if everyone had a fast pass to morale gear but they left it in tact. Instead they took away pvpers rewards instead of giving pve-casuals faster rewards. All they would need is ilvl70 gear a bit of learning experience, then they'd be fine. But you'd know that if you played pvp.

I played SWTOR too, you're not the only one.

See in FFXIV they give us pvp gear, we were like okay. They then gave us awesome animal gear, teased frontlines at the same time, and even frontline CS has people in animal gear. The preview originally of the animal pvp gear said "Frontlines" on the art page. EVERYTHING was leading us on to think that pvp gear could *gasp* be used in pvp, and then shortly before frontlines is finally being released they drop the bomb that "oh yeah pve gear will be better". What would be better would be "we're making it easier to get pvp gear." even having ilvl70 craftable would work. The truth is, people say this morale thing is this huge ungodly advantage when it's not. It is an advantage, but it's not as high and mighty as people think. Usually its by the few that pvp'd a couple of times, got stomped and blamed it on the gear. When in truth, it was mostly them, somewhat the gear.

[Rawkzor]

Rawk is correct in what he is saying. Currently PvP gear is lacking a whole stat as part of it's budget, because they get morale. In Frontlines, PvE gear dominates because it gets all of it's stats, where Morale is ignored. If SE wants to balance things this way, why not add an additional stat category to PvP gear, making it viable in PvE? Would that be unfair to players who only participate in PvE content?

[Ransu]

Rawk is correct in what he is saying. Currently PvP gear is lacking a whole stat as part of it's budget, because they get morale. In Frontlines, PvE gear dominates because it gets all of it's stats, where Morale is ignored. If SE wants to balance things this way, why not add an additional stat category to PvP gear, making it viable in PvE? Would that be unfair to players who only participate in PvE content?

I don't see anything wrong with removing moral and just adding a normal stat. I just feel that a pvp stat in general is a negative impact in pvp for every MMO. ilvl sync isn't perfect though and really I wish they just did a baseline stat like what GW2 did initially for pvp.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Frontlines is amazing and once they fix the queues (within the week) it will be incredible. The Exp is monstrous, Sold/Myth for it for insane fun... Wolves Den is nothing compared to it. I hope every last win trader is angry.

[DeadRiser]

So in protest, you will potentially cause a loss for your entire alliance because the alliance is basically short one person. Sounds selfish to me. And if you are serious about doing this, isn't this a suspendable offense? Aren't you purposely affecting the other people you are playing with? This is reportable you know... Dat logic

[Jadi]

I think morale should be in play. I can understand making it accessible and thats ok.. but in a month or so I want to see a change because we get so many points why not.

I'd also like to see different games. Ballista, Hutball, King of the Hill, Tower Defense, etc.

They have a good system, its fairly balanced and fun atm. Time to expand it.

[Potatoes]

Someone give me the update; are we still protesting?

[Ragecake]

So in protest, you will potentially cause a loss for your entire alliance because the alliance is basically short one person. Sounds selfish to me. And if you are serious about doing this, isn't this a suspendable offense? Aren't you purposely affecting the other people you are playing with? This is reportable you know... Dat logic

...I will be protesting frontlines. I will be doing this by queueing Naked as often as I can...

If anyone would like to join, please do so.

It's a grief tactic and a reportable offense. I encourage everyone to report these players who will actively try to ruin the fun of others in Frontlines.

Seriously though, again I ask, who is actually partaking in the protesting of the Frontlines now that it's out?