You have enough casual/fluff content now, how about that endgame progression SEnix?

[TestSubject09]

Have you tried running those "easy" 4-man dungeons when you're not 40 lvls overgeared?
Why don't you put together a party in ilvl67 and take on Titan Ex?

I'm always amused by people like you who come in saying everything is too easy but they're running Wanderer's Palace and Amdapor Keep (nerfed too) in i90+ gear.

Why don't I poke my own eyes on then play... or play one handed.... or play like I can't turn left....

Again more assumptions, infact I enjoy the easier content. I'm jsut pointing out the elephant in the room.

I've been met with nothing but assumptions from people who seem to think that "hardcore content" is a dirty word.... and yet I'm the one on a "high horse" ... never did I say its more important, I said its equally as important and has recieved very little attention since release, this is a fact.

Its also a fact that most successful MMOs do cater to both. and potential is being wasted here.

[BloodPact]

They gave us back-to-back endgame with Savage this time (even if recycled). The time to show them that the playerbase for this kind of content exists is now. They said Savage 6-9 was basically a test to see if it was well received so if they see a lot of people tackling it you can expect them to release more content at that level.

[Kiara1]

There's not enough fluff content until they make more skirts that aren't as big as the acololyte, summoners and scholars.

Like the miqote skirt, we (I) need more skirts like that but I want to dye them.
ALSO I WANT A RIBBON TO PUT ON MY TAIL

And if I get that I'll be satisfied and you can add all the coil turns you want!

[TestSubject09]

it's divisive and

right.... and how does this differ from any of the other succesful mmos out there that do this... and yet.... people don't leave...

Its funny how I am told "I should downgrade and handicap myself to find challenges" ... yet when the reverse is mention... suddenly "I will quit if players who play harder content get better gear then me" .... its all hypocritical nonsense... if your casual, and do not want to do the content... you do what every other casual player does IN EVERY OTHER MMO.... PLAY THE BITS YOU WANT.

... being attacked... by the same hypocritical logic from all sides. I didn't even start this is a negative way... but look where its gone... assumptions, double standards.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Never said anything of the sort.... why do you people get offended by this stuff? you havn't got the time then why do you care so negativly? seems completely hypocritical if anything.

Funny how most other MMO's manage to cater to both.... just pointing out where its lacking.

Why do you get offended by people who get offended from what you want? Don't bother to answer; just actually take a moment to think about that. Seriously. If this sounds like an attack — obviously text cannot convey tone — it's not. But I seriously want you to think about what I asked. I know why you're asking for the content you want already.

[hr][/hr]

This thread sounds a lot like another that got shut down because people were arguing over what a "raid" technically is. And I can already see it devolving to that.

With that, I say, I'm going to be the bigger person and step outside an objectively observe where this is heading.

[TestSubject09]

They gave us back-to-back endgame with Savage this time (even if recycled). The time to show them that the playerbase for this kind of content exists is now. They said Savage 6-9 was basically a test to see if it was well received so if they see a lot of people tackling it you can expect them to release more content at that level.

Phew some actually discussion.... I'd lost hope. I was not aware of this. lets hope it goes well. but In my mind, that is a poor way to "Judge" wether there is a demand for the content.... because as you said, its recycled, and the reward is a title...

This is not the same feeling as having a challening 24 man multi-branch dungeon found in other games.... its just turning up the difficulty of a 8 man. I feel its perfectly reasonable to say that their idea is not representative.

[Elven]

It could offer more of a challenge but in all honesty I think those people are the minority. Sure it's great being able to see results in your gear progression when you can do the new content easy but what isn't fun is dying all the time due to not having a static raid group or an FC that shares progression around with all it's members or though some might do (Yeah right) At the end of the day in the grand scheme of things having the bragging rights of gear matters very little to anyone else not doing coil as all the rage right now is getting the precious upgrades for gear like sands/time elsewhere in CT and Hunts. Because SE know what keeps the lights on.

[kidvideo]

congratulations on being part of the 1% that has actually finished coil.

That. Occupy Eorzea or riot (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Also, I like this game so I don't want this "endgame" you speak of.

[Amused]

• Why are there not more 8 man dungeons?
• Why isn't gear becoming more creative with stats?
• Why is there no COMPETITIVE 24-man dungeon instead of a casual Crystal Tower experience (though I like that too)

ALL of the end-game is already 8-man content. Why can't we get some 4-man end-game content? Why does it have to always be bigger groups? Typically, the more people you involve in content, the less skill based it becomes because the encounter has to account for the large number of people you're trying to organize and coordinate with. The larger the number, the greater the likelihood of something going wrong. On top of that, it is much more difficult and time consuming to gather together a large group of people.

I will never understand this obsession that MMO players have with having to be in these massive groups to do content. There is a time and place for massive groups in MMOs and I do not believe that place is in instanced PvE content. Open world PvE content? Yeah, sure. Instanced PvE content in which you most likely will require a static group of people? Absolutely not. The more people you have to schedule time to play with, the more of a nightmare it becomes to even organize doing said content.

[DoctorPepper]

All I can really say is take a break from the game and come back later.

Honestly though, you know (partially) what they have planned for 2.4, you know they have an expansion coming, what more do you want? They are doing a good job catering to both crowds right now, the people who have completed coil 2 are a minority, otherwise you probably would see more harder content. Savage mode was added as a test to see whether or not that type of difficult content was well received, Yoshi said so himself.

The fact is that if you are impatient, there are other games you can play for a few months until coil 3 comes out. You already know they won't release any new raid content until then and you also know they are releasing new coil in 2.4 so what is the point of this thread even? Just because you're not enjoying something doesn't mean everybody else isn't and I'm not trying to be rude when I say that, it's just a fact of life.

Personally I love this patch, it gave me a lot of things that I can do on alternate jobs as well as several things to do with my more casual friends. If all they added was for hardcore players those friends would quit the game and never come back. My more hardcore friends on the other hand will quit the game and come back when they add more challenging content.