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    Ryuko's Avatar
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    Ryuko Kanzeon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post


    I was linked this last night。 This is some Japanese team doing SCoB:T3. In order of damage done and their jobs;

    DRG - Ballistic Missle duty #2
    Bard - Brainjack / Homing Missle / Ballistic missle #1
    Bard (2nd) - 2 towers
    Paladin (off tank) - Ballistic Missle #3, Dreadknight, Landmine (#1), Allagan Field tower helper
    Summoner - 3 towers, landmine (#2)
    Warrior (main tank) - 3rd landmine, 1 tower
    Ifrit egi - no job
    Scholar - 3 towers
    Whitemage - 2 towers

    武器 means what weapon they are using, so you can just see what strength they have.
    I'm not 100% sure of the point you're trying to make, but don't forget to add Ifrit-Egi to the Summoner's damage -- then they are just one dps below the dragoon, who is the highest dps in the group. Considering the dragoon is just handling ballistic missile (minimal movement because everyone has to move at that point anyway), this makes sense. As a SMN, while popping towers, landmines, etc, I can just throw Ruin 2s while running so I'm not losing any damage as long as I'm not throwing away mana needlessly.

    If you look at Ifrit-Egi's standalone damage, he doesn't need a buff in T8... but T8 is also a VERY exceptional fight because there is minimal movement and Ifrit-Egi can sit on the boss's butt literally the entire time, smacking away even on the rare occasions your group has to move. He isn't very viable in other fights, however, and this buff to Ifrit-Egi might be SE's way of trying to adjust that. Aka, "Summoners, use Ifrit more! The damage output was increased so he's more viable on more fights than just T8! On T8, though, he'll be even better than he already is!"

    I might even argue that SE's thinking when they made these adjustments to Summoner was one of the ways they are trying to make the pets we use more of an option than just "Contagion is the best, always, and switching pets is silly." A thread was made a few months ago where summoners argued whether Garuda-Egi or Ifrit-Egi was better for T8. There were convincing arguments both ways. The mp saved from Contagion and the extra damage it adds during your burst rotation (int pot, RS, miasma 2, poison pot, contagion) is godly. Yet, at the same time, Ifrit's overall damage on that fight is too good to pass up, especially if you have a WAR/MNK. But then someone replied stating that he uses Garuda-Egi for his burst rotation+contagion, then switches her out for Ifrit-Egi at all other times in the fight. Perhaps SE is pushing us more toward this mode of summoning (blow your swiftcast on summoning a new pet)? Tests will need to be done of course, but that's my theorizing. It may also explain why Bio 2 is getting a reduction in mana cost... because they want us to be 'okay' with the idea of recasting our dots more often if we choose to use Ifrit-Egi.
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    Last edited by Ryuko; 07-07-2014 at 05:27 AM.

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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuko View Post
    I'm not 100% sure of the point you're trying to make, but don't forget to add Ifrit-Egi to the Summoner's damage
    I just wanted to show people Ifrit's damage. Just quoted you to show it.
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    I just wanted to show people Ifrit's damage. Just quoted you to show it.
    Well the issue isn't Ifrit actually doing damage, it's Ifrit vs Garuda and which is better to dps with.
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