BLM and SMN BUFFs info is coming out!! PATCH 2.3 Preliminary

[Numenor1379]

But then with that you can't do Flare/Convert/Swiftcast/Flare which is a valid rotation (you are using a 1 min and 3 min cooldown to do it).

True, but look at it another way. BLM got a single target buff and should probably have some sort of AoE nerf to balance that. Given that there's been talk about the "Double Flare" rotation really being a bug, and that Flare is our main source of AoE damage, that is where I think any nerf should come from (assuming one is done at all). Messing with Transpose could cause all sorts of other issues that have nothing to do with our AoE ability.

Besides, you can still do the following even with a 7sec c/d: F3 - Flare - Convert - F2 - Flare - Transpose

[HaroldSaxon]

True, but look at it another way. BLM got a single target buff and should probably have some sort of AoE nerf to balance that. Given that there's been talk about the "Double Flare" rotation really being a bug, and that Flare is our main source of AoE damage, that is where I think any nerf should come from (assuming one is done at all). Messing with Transpose could cause all sorts of other issues that have nothing to do with our AoE ability.

Besides, you can still do the following even with a 7sec c/d: F3 - Flare - Convert - F2 - Flare - Transpose

If you nerf flare, you also nerf the single target rotation as its used under Raging Strikes with convert. I agree that an AOE nerf is needed, the AOE damage is obscene.

The double flare rotation - the problem with it is that its a bug where you will get a mana tick just after you use flare due to server latency. It needs fixing, but i'm not sure how they would do it.

Messing with transpose would be better, because it wouldn't really affect the single target DPS, and it would encourage more F2 usage. F3-Flare-Convert-F2-Flare-Transpose would still be a problem because the BLM AOE is crazy good when just doing F3, Flare, Transpose, F3, F2, Flare, Tranpose etc etc. The problem is that the low cooldown of transpose allows you to use flare too often. Changing the potency of flare will nerf the single target DPS and be a massive nerf to the class, but for transpose, it won't. You have 7 GCD's minimum between casts on single target (F1 x 5, B3, T1/T2).

[Kessya]

Messing with transpose would be better.

Transpose is very important for Thaumaturges below level 38. Messing with it would most likely worsen the experience for players that want to start as one, and it already feels quite sluggish until level 40. I know that doesn't factor in with endgame in any way, but it's still important, as it is a lengthy chunk of the game.

[HaroldSaxon]

Transpose is very important for Thaumaturges below level 38. Messing with it would most likely worsen the experience for players that want to start as one, and it already feels quite sluggish until level 40. I know that doesn't factor in with endgame in any way, but it's still important, as it is a lengthy chunk of the game.

Its something I posted about previously, however, its something that is necessary for end game balance. At least from level 34 onwards, you only need to use it at the end of your fire phase as you have fire 3, so using it per rotation isn't going to be affected. So its pre-34 you are looking at mainly.