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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I used rain of death all the time in 2.0 in Turn 4. Tanks would ask me to always have it up.

    And no, bard is a dps job with support as back up. 90% dps, 10% support. The support side is only when needed.
    Not sure that I agree with this statement, Foe Requiem for example should be used often if you have some good mages in the party. Also, in longer fights Paeon and occasionally ballad become a requirement pretty much. I think most good bards spend more then 10% of a fight with songs up. I would agree that you spend most of your time using dps abilities but I think the primary role is to provide support as well, I'm sure when the level cap is increased and there are more songs available bard will become even more of a support role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorPepper View Post
    Not sure that I agree with this statement, Foe Requiem for example should be used often if you have some good mages in the party. Also, in longer fights Paeon and occasionally ballad become a requirement pretty much. I think most good bards spend more then 10% of a fight with songs up. I would agree that you spend most of your time using dps abilities but I think the primary role is to provide support as well, I'm sure when the level cap is increased and there are more songs available bard will become even more of a support role.
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
    Agreed... Our SCH runs Selene also so it is a must to keep our Melee DPS and Tanks TP up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingAhmoseTheFirst View Post
    Agreed... Our SCH runs Selene also so it is a must to keep our Melee DPS and Tanks TP up...

    wait.... what?

    how? pls tell me :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momita View Post
    wait.... what?

    how? pls tell me :O
    Most hardcore SCHs believe that Selene is superior to Eos if you have a good WHM. You can solo heal 6/7/9 (not sure about 8), so Selene adding dps just means the fight will be done sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    Most hardcore SCHs believe that Selene is superior to Eos if you have a good WHM. You can solo heal 6/7/9 (not sure about 8), so Selene adding dps just means the fight will be done sooner.
    maybe u didn't read....

    "Agreed... Our SCH runs Selene also so it is a must to keep our Melee DPS and Tanks TP up..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momita View Post
    maybe u didn't read....

    "Agreed... Our SCH runs Selene also so it is a must to keep our Melee DPS and Tanks TP up..."
    Selene out : Speed is up, TP goes faster, you have to have a TP song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
    If only every healer was a good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
    Clearly your scholar doesn't use Selene.. otherwise you'd find Paeon a little more useful. I can't force you to realize that songs are your purpose so if you want to pretend you're a dps and not a support job then have at er.
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