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    Quote Originally Posted by Corfish View Post
    Easy enough solution to your issue - Don't use it.

    The game relies on all 8 people being at their peaks, meaning you can wipe even if YOU are spot on. After awhile you just want to practice another Phase so you can join an advanced group. I really, honestly don't understand why some people find a beef with a way to help people improve lol.
    You wipe and win as a team. If you want to die 1000 times solo without anyone knowing about it, might I suggest dark souls? A raid is a team effort and thus requires everyone to perform reasonably well (not even at their peak). A raid is only as good as it's weakest member. Brutally candid I know, but true nonetheless. Don't understand why that is such a hard concept to grasp.
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    Aiden Weaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
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    Then why not include a mode to actively practice the parts you can't get down? I just honestly don't see why people are so against an option to help people improve.

    "Oh my god, everyone at end game sucks!"
    "Oh my god, you want to include a mode to help people improve? You suck!"

    Learning parties suck because everyone expects to learn it in one run, you can't learn because everyone bales after a wipe. You join an advanced party because you just want to move on with the fight, one wipe, everyone bales.

    A dedicated practice mode would fix some of this.

    But no, this isn't hardcore enough for some people so it's a horrible thing to include.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corfish View Post
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    Learning parties suck because raids are not designed to be done with a pug. Just because the feature is added to pf does not mean it's the ideal way to do so. That's not to say that it can't be done, but by going down that route people need to accept that there are potential pitfalls like the ones you mentioned.

    Another alternative would be going down the LFR route that WoW took and faceroll everything. But even there the loot quality is lower than normal and heroic raids and people would not be happy either.

    Edit: To be clear, I'm okay with this being implemented for bcob and ex primals. More players need to be able to progress to end game. I just think it's a terrible idea for current end game i.e. scob
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    Last edited by skaterger; 07-04-2014 at 11:58 AM.