DPS meters and why they're necessary

[LetBloodline]

If you had a "echo" buff applied specifically to the person underperforming you'd know who had the buff.
Just the same if they fail DPS quota and boss retribution strikes them dead... once again kind of obvious.

You said i can't judge a performance knowing all the data the parser give but i can with just a buff given by the game for a not that clear judgment? Are you insane? And how can i improve and do teste with that? Are you insane? O.o

[LetBloodline]

I'm not and I guarantee the majority of the game plus those at SE are not okay with parsers being used to kick people in DF.

It's wrong, if you feel your time is wasted in DF leave!
It's a place to learn, not be judged.

I'd bet money preventing that alone is a reason why they're not allowed.

On the DF note i agree. But don't give that tool at all is the wrong way. If you really need to manage that 1% or player to give a high percentage you just make parser in DF only personal. Problem solved

[Dwill]

About as anecdotal and subjective as a parser determining a players skill as there is no parser that takes all variables of a given situation into play.

You've already shown in a previous post that you barely knew what data a parser gathers so I don't really think you can make such a claim. Parsers are a tool that will give you valid data, gather statistics and the likes therefore makes it a tool which can give you an obective viewpoint.

Yet you people get quiet as a mouse when presented with the idea of parsers that don't judge other people, just yourself.

At this point, I think you're reading only what you want to read. I suggest going back a few pages as quite a few people have stated that such a parser would still be welcome. As for myself, I would rather have a parser that gathers all the data that the one currently available can as it gives you a much wider range of data to work with.

I understand, a parser without e-peen enlargement isn't as attractive to elitists.

Goes to show what you really want them for, which is why I will enjoy watching the ban-hammer drop each time one of you is caught using one.

If you want your elitist bs, stay in PF & statics.
You don't want the possibility of loss, stay the heck out of DF!

Your post is full of bias and totally refuse to accept that a lot of people want parsers for various reasons. Some want one for themselves, some want one for their static group, some wants one for their DF/PF runs. And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it.

You might claim that people will get harassed or that people want one to be "elitists" yet refuse to provide any sort of objective argument or any sort of data/proof, you only provide a subjective viewpoint and anecdotal evidences which aren't any proof or data of anything. Tanks and healers are already subjective to harassement as of now, DPS aren't anything more special than tanks or healers that they deserve to not be criticize. And if it so happens that certain DPS gets harassed, it will be dealt with the same way as it is right now, via a report for Harassement.

I'm not and I guarantee the majority of the game plus those at SE are not okay with parsers being used to kick people in DF.

Tanks and healers are already subjected to harassement in DF. What about them then ? Again, DPS are not special snowflakes.

It's funny that all you pro parsers use this same lame comeback.

You're the one making the claims, the burden of proof falls upon you. So I suggest that you provide meaningful proofs to back up your claims. If all you're going to do though is continue with the same rhetoric, then you're only going to end up hurting your credibility much more than it already has.

That's not true. DF has minimum ilvl requirements, and in some cases we can be confident that the ilvl required by DF is actually higher than what's required to clear the content.

Agreed. Best exemple I can think of is Titan Extreme. I really don't see a full group of i67 killing him, which is the requirement for him.

[raelgun]

It's funny that all you pro parsers use this same lame comeback.

About as anecdotal and subjective as a parser determining a players skill as there is no parser that takes all variables of a given situation into play.

Its been said to you time and time again, parsers tell you everything that happens in a fight then just damage done, you are just ignoring this cos you have no come back for this cos you cant prove it or refuse to accept it, its called denial, you might want to think on it.

[GreyJorildyn]

People who preach against parsers are like the people who scoff at shows like Cosmos. You'd just rather be ignorant than be given an opportunity to grasp the truth.

It's okay if you want to suck and cover it up. Don't expect others to be as complacent though.

[Alcyon1]

It's funny that all you pro parsers use this same lame comeback.

About as anecdotal and subjective as a parser determining a players skill as there is no parser that takes all variables of a given situation into play.

I met a Bard (weapon i100) doing 220 DPS (T9) where I, with Levi Weapon, was around 300. Conclusion : he is a clueless noob. But to be honest, I wasn't even using one when I noticed that his DPS was REALLY low, the numbers just gave me the confirmation.

A parser is just a statistical tool, nothing more. It doesn't say anything about "skill".

[Viridiana]

Agreed. Best exemple I can think of is Titan Extreme. I really don't see a full group of i67 killing him, which is the requirement for him.

I'm actually arguing the opposite. I'm fairly certain it doesn't take i70 to kill T1.

[Dwill]

I'm actually arguing the opposite. I'm fairly certain it doesn't take i70 to kill T1.

True as well. I guess it goes on both side of the spectrum here. We can all agree that the current iLvL shown in the DF window is pretty terrible as a matter of judgement, whether it's too low or too high.

[Exstal]

I've done BCoB:T1 on my i70 Scholar!

[Malric]

Some want one for themselves, some want one for their static group, some wants one for their DF/PF runs. And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it.

You apparently are the one doing very selective reading. As I've said, private, statics, even PF, I don't care. I don't believe they have any place in DF at all.

you only provide a subjective viewpoint and anecdotal evidences which aren't any proof or data of anything

That is the most asinine statement. The existence of such proof can't exist like the evidence that a parser depicts skill.

Tanks and healers are already subjective to harassement

So because Tanks/Healers are wrongfully harassed, DPS should be too? Great argument!

You're the one making the claims, the burden of proof falls upon you.

You're the one asking for them to be added saying they won't be abused. That is your burden to prove.