Regarding the Atmas, yes, another one of those.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

It's amazing how people will avoid the main complaint and strawman the argument even when the OP statement voids the "I WANT NOWZ" accusations

But I like the game, and I want my relic weapon, do I deserve to be put killing level 5 sprites with fast blade + savage blade for the next 100 hours because of that?

You were saying something about voiding "I WANT NOWZ" accusations? Entitlement.

[AmyNeudaiz]

You were saying something about voiding "I WANT NOWZ" accusations? Entitlement.

Instead of cherry picking a clear typo and making a strawman argument, read what the OP is saying.

Let me put it this way, would you find fair to tell your players that in order to make it to the next upgrade of their relics they have to travel 20000 KMs with their chocobos? Because killing level 3 flans with heavy shots/ruins for the next 100 hours is NOT different from that. I don't mind grinding, at all, I could spend another thousand hours playing this game. But playing this game isn't for instance using teleport 1000 times to get a piece of armor.

You clearly are not interested in real discussion. You just want to derail the argument and that's clear because it is not entitlement to say that the quest is a complete snoozefest to do.

If you want to quit, then just quit. No one's holding a gun to your head, forcing you to stay in the game.

Now it's clear you don't even care about the health of the game. Why do you even post on the forums if you care so little? Enough people are quitting over this bad game design already and you don't need to add to it.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Instead of cherry picking a clear typo and making a strawman argument, read what the OP is saying.

You clearly are not interested in real discussion. You just want to derail the argument and that's clear because it is not entitlement to say that the quest is a complete snoozefest to do.

Typo? What typo? It was clearly stated by OP that they DESERVE better content. Yes, bold for emphasis. That kind of mindset is entitlement. I've read what OP is saying, I've heard and understood BOTH side of the general argument on the subject matter.

As far as the snoozefest goes, here's an example:

You're told you can drive through Nürburgring with either
A. A Bugatti Veyron or
B. A Toyota Prius

So you choose the Prius and find out it's "boring." Well guess what? It was YOUR choice to drive the Prius. You want something engaging, do the engaging stuff.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Typo? What typo? It was clearly stated by OP that they DESERVE better content. Yes, bold for emphasis. That kind of mindset is entitlement. I've read what OP is saying, I've heard and understood BOTH side of the general argument on the subject matter.

Clear typo because
1) Even with the typo what you are claiming they stated doesn't line up.
2) They corrected their post moments later.

But I like the game, and I want my relic weapon, do I deserve to be put killing level 5 sprites with fast blade + savage blade for the next 100 hours because of that?

Oops! You went and made a fool of yourself. Again, very clear you are not interested in real discussion you just want to derail the topic. I'm not going to grant you that further, good day.

It's pretty clear to me that the content was designed to force us into low level areas to help boost FATEs, and help the people jumping on board from PS4 launch to complete the FATEs. It's also clear that it was a design choice made to draw out the length of time that it takes for us to get our atma weapons.

People call this "doing the work" for the reward. I've worked for so many things in this game, and loved it. I love the pay-off for doing hard content, and even the pay-off for running roulettes every day (which arguably is also a pretty transparent grind), but when the "work" is quite literally a chore, that's when games stop being fun. There's no challenge in grinding for atmas, it's just pulling weeds.

Can't agree more with your post. I've think the same thing about this quest and so do most of my FC and friends. We had a very hard time finding a replacement for the Monk in our static that quit over Atma and it almost destroyed our static all together. This quest is just bad for the game and they did it so that people could complete FATEs faster? Lol. Fail in my opinion.

Well, I see plenty of attacking in here already. No harm in going deeper, 'cept to those poor poor bruised e-Egos.

Alright I'll bite. I have some solutions that don't make it easier even if none will ever be implimented anyway.
Revamp FATEs all together. Make them fun and engaging, some FATEs actually are fun but those rare (This is my top choice)
Completion of a certain number of FATEs in a zone so you at least feel progress or perhaps a new specific currency you obtain from FATEs to buy them.
Change the prerequisite to a specific instance or open world difficult battle.
Make you do a more difficult version of the first Relic quest with EX primals and new fights in place of Chimera/Hydra/HM Primals

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Clear typo because
1) Even with the typo what you are claiming they stated doesn't line up.
2) They corrected their post moments later.



Oops! You went and made a fool of yourself. Again, very clear you are not interested in real discussion you just want to derail the topic. I'm not going to grant you that further, good day.

You you clearly pointed out the point I'm making and I'm the fool? GG.


As far as to the OP: Why not start another "X or riot" thread? Worked for the whole "marriage" issue/fantasia issue. They might even make it to where you have to pay for atmas though. And then this game just turns into a P2W.

[Tsuga]

You you clearly pointed out the point I'm making and I'm the fool? GG.


As far as to the OP: Why not start another "X or riot" thread? Worked for the whole "marriage" issue/fantasia issue. They might even make it to where you have to pay for atmas though. And then this game just turns into a P2W.

I'm confused, what exactly are you upset about?

Unless I've missed something nobody's asking for easy atmas. The op hasn't even asked that the atma grind be changed as far as I can see. If nothing else we're pointing out that the atma grind is not fun for many, if not most people who are participating or have participated in it, and we are asking that SE please not follow a similar pattern with future high level content.