DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Exstal]

Basically, SE wants to you to record yourself doing a rotation, sit down and manually calculate your DPS. So spending 2~4 hours per 3m fight to calculate, re-calculate if you're doing your rotation right.

So they need to add a parser so this isn't necessary, or we can just continue vote abandoning fights because people don't know what they are doing.

[Malric]

Basically, SE wants to you to record yourself doing a rotation, sit down and manually calculate your DPS. So spending 2~4 hours per 3m fight to calculate, re-calculate if you're doing your rotation right.

So they need to add a parser so this isn't necessary, or we can just continue vote abandoning fights because people don't know what they are doing.

Or you know you always have the option of helping them learn.
I mean granted, I know there are many without tolerance for people learning... I'm just saying...

[Exstal]

Or you know you always have the option of helping them learn.
I mean granted, I know there are many without tolerance for people learning... I'm just saying...

Helping people learn would be good...if you could see how they are doing.

[Malric]

Helping people learn would be good...if you could see how they are doing.

I've never used a DPS meter. I help people all the time. People have been learning and progressing in this game since the game began and many others since basically forever. without DPS meters. If you NEED a DPS meter to teach someone you should look for a meter that can help you improve your teaching, problem solving or even social skills.

I've never had a problem figuring it out. I've never had a problem with the people I group with helping and talking with each other to improve.
The only place maybe a DPS meter could have value over interaction is maybe in a pug.

I'd bet people getting kicked out of the duty finder where people go to learn because those with DPS meters in a premade portion of the group vote kick them for low DPS goes against everything SE wants for their game.

I mean when you vote kick, there isn't exactly an option "because they suck" for a reason.

[Exstal]

I've never used a DPS meter. I help people all the time. People have been learning and progressing in this game since the game began and many others since basically forever. without DPS meters. If you NEED a DPS meter to teach someone you should look for a meter that can help you improve your teaching, problem solving or even social skills.

I've never had a problem figuring it out. I've never had a problem with the people I group with helping and talking with each other to improve.
The only place maybe a DPS meter could have value over interaction is maybe in a pug.

I'd bet people getting kicked out of the duty finder where people go to learn because those with DPS meters in a premade portion of the group vote kick them for low DPS goes against everything SE wants for their game.

I mean when you vote kick, there isn't exactly an option "because they suck" for a reason.

Anecdotal evidence isn't valid.

I find it interesting that you're spending team teaching people how to DPS, but what are you doing? Just watching them, neglecting your own role? There's a reason for DPS meters, you understand it but refuse it. That's fine. Difference of opinion.

[Malric]

So, do I really have to bring up the most commercially successful MMO in the history of gaming? Which had a vast amount of different DMG meters and addons?

Oh please do, also bring up how when the game began there were no meters and it rose to be the most successful MMO in history.

How the increasing people leaving and the decline in end game play pretty
much started once DPS meters dominated the game.

How this caused them to constantly change character classes costing them millions in development and led to them removing choice from character design to reduce the number of people that can't hack it in end game play.

How since then, the game has lost over 80% of it's world players outside China and they couldn't maintain their game without bots/gold farmers.

How the game is turning cash shop in desperation, allowing people to buy level cap and allowing those left to multibox 10+ accounts to keep enough subs to stay in business.

[Malric]

And I have raided high end content and went for top 50 world kills in a vast amount of titles and I can tell that youre full of shit. Unless you provide some proper evidence your statement basically is irrelevant. You wanna argue or make a point? Then provide arguments. Unless you do that your post is nothing but a waste of bandwidth.

I've played almost every major MMO launched in the past 20 years.
I was topping MMOs when they were text based, ran the most successful raiding guild in WoW on Shadowsong for 3 years which I built. Pulled server firsts that unlocked content for our faction and finished end game that 90% of our faction couldn't even put together a group to walk into.

I did this without DPS meters...

I'm sorry you need addons to do what I've been doing since before DPS meters existed.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Or you know you always have the option of helping them learn.
I mean granted, I know there are many without tolerance for people learning... I'm just saying...

I'd love to help people outside of my circle, but they don't listen. They insist they are doing the right thing, and to not to tell them how to play their job when they are clearly not playing to their best. Because as always people in this game care more about their feelings than self-improvement.

[Malric]

I'd love to help people outside of my circle, but they don't listen. They insist they are doing the right thing, and to not to tell them how to play their job when they are clearly not playing to their best. Because as always people in this game care more about their feelings than self-improvement.

You say "they" like you imply everyone outside your circle...
I'm sure many of the people on your side in here are outside your circle.
Are you saying those here agreeing with your position care more about their feelings.
Because surely these people aren't all in your circle.

And they think they're the top of the game.